The "Exterminate Israel & its Jews" movement...

[PennEd]

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel did not understand what was told him because he could not understand it.

Which the book is sealed until the time of the end which then the saints can understand.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know, what is going on in the earth, and how the world can come together as one for they can communicate with each other, and travel to each other, and establish a system that is not the operation of God and going against all people who oppose them causing Him to end sin on earth.

Daniel had a limited view and knowledge of the world for about all he knew was when he went outside and looked around, and the scant few people around him.

So he could not understand the time of the end.

It can only be the time of the end when technology causes the world to be able to communicate with each other.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The disciples would be in the same position of Daniel having a limited view of the world.

How could the disciples hear of wars and rumours of wars, and nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places on earth without technology.

Without technology to see what is happening in the world the disciples would not know these things.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Also how could they be hated of all nations and the Gospel be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come in the first century when Christianity did not spread that far yet.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Also it says when the end will come but how can the end be in the first century for if it was Jesus would of put down the world but we see they are still on the earth being rebellious.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is what happened in the first century.

The rest is for now the end time.

The disciples wanted to know of the end of the world which did not happen in the first century.

Which we can see the nations against each other and earthquakes, pestilences, famines happening in different parts of the earth.

It sounds like Jesus is speaking to the disciples knowing this but it must be directed to the Christians at the end time.

They can’t discern the fact that the disciples asked Him SEVERAL DIFFERENT questions.

Some of His answers do indeed apply to 70 AD. While many others do not.

 

[HeIsHere]

This is what happened in the first century.

The rest is for now the end time.

Seems to me that is your personal commentary nowhere found in the text.

 

[Slimsumo]

So now 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is the litmus test for being a believer, making that the litmus looks more bad for you actually.
Kinda ironic, lol.

There will be no fruit because you misrepresent the doctrine.
Movin on.

Your refusal to answer the question answers the question.

It is the litmus test, as per the Scriptures:

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

[HeIsHere]

Your refusal to answer the question answers the question.

It is the litmus test, as per the Scriptures:

2 Timothy 2:18
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Out of context, but beside that in the future from the time of the writing.
Litmus test fail.

 

[Slimsumo]

Out of context, but beside that in the future from the time of the writing.
Litmus test fail.

I do understand you would place it at 70AD... But once again. Resurrection did not occur then. So it is still applicable and not out of context as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 is the resurrection.

What possessed you to get into this strange theology? All of Christianity has always viewed the return of Jesus and the resurrection as future events, future hope. From Ignatius to Irenaeus to Justin Martyr to Victorinus to the middle ages to the reformers to today

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I do not mind helping you.
But the motive of your questions were not acceptable to me.
You were not asking them to learn from me.

Finally banned. Made my day. Went back under the bridge he came from. Let's see if he visits...

 

[HeIsHere]

I do understand you would place it at 70AD... But once again. Resurrection did not occur then. So it is still applicable and not out of context as 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 is the resurrection.

What possessed you to get into this strange theology? All of Christianity has always viewed the return of Jesus and the resurrection as future events, future hope. From Ignatius to Irenaeus to Justin Martyr to Victorinus to the middle ages to the reformers to today

Here is the list... I do not need Irenaeus et. al. I can see what is there in print over and over again.

Acts 2:16–17 — “In the last days…” (fulfilled at Pentecost)
1 Corinthians 10:11 — “on whom the ends of the ages have come”
Hebrews 1:1–2 — “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son”
Hebrews 9:26 — “at the end of the ages he has appeared”
James 5:3 — “You have laid up treasure in the last days”
1 Peter 1:20 — “manifested in these last times for your sake”
1 Peter 4:7 — “The end of all things is at hand”
1 John 2:18 — “It is the last hour”
Jude 17–18 — “In the last time there will be scoffers… they are here now”
Behold I come quickly
This generation..... when YOU (33 times) see these things

 

[Jackson129]

I've always understood revelations to be past present and future. From the beginning of the church age to the end. I really doubt the 4 horseman and the trumpet, bowl,and vial judgments have taken place. I mean the one turns all the water in the world to blood and kills every living thing in the sea. Think I'd of heard about that in the history books. And where did all the marine life come from that we see now? Was there like another creation day added in there somewhere?

 

[gb9]

Finally banned. Made my day. Went back under the bridge he came from. Let's see if he visits...

he might come back.

some of them comeback multiple times..

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

he might come back.

some of them comeback multiple times..

I fully expect it with this one. lol

 

[Jackson129]

I fully expect it with this one. lol

Just have to look for another old testament prophet spelled backwards

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Just have to look for another old testament prophet spelled backwards

Lol how did I miss that! Wow, you're observant! Or was I the only one that didn't see it?

 

[Daisy2]

Lol how did I miss that! Wow, you're observant! Or was I the only one that didn't see it?

Obadiah is also on Jesus talks forum as Leumas/Samuel but has been put on suspension for a month.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

Obadiah is also on Jesus talks forum as Leumas/Samuel but has been put on suspension for a month.

Spreading cheer wherever he goes huh? Well he'll come for me I'm sure, so I'll know when he's visiting us. He won't be able to sneak back.

 

[Squigglylines]

Lol how did I miss that! Wow, you're observant! Or was I the only one that didn't see it?

They seem to be angry at Christians that Harris did not win and so they are joining Christian Forums in an attempt to degrade the Christian reputation by pretending not to be atheist witches and such but instead Christians just like us. The issue is on other forums also so be aware.

 

[Daisy2]

They seem to be angry at Christians that Harris did not win and so they are joining Christian Forums in an attempt to degrade the Christian reputation by pretending not to be atheist witches and such but instead Christians just like us. The issue is on other forums also so be aware.

No he might actually believe all that stuff he says (probably a type of schizophrenia with grandiose thinking)

 

[Squigglylines]

No he might actually believe all that stuff he says (probably a type of schizophrenia with grandiose thinking)

He may well be an individual occurrence but others I have spoken with are not ignorant of Scriptures. Instead they seem to intentionally distort them from unbelief of them.

 

[Daisy2]

He may well be an individual occurrence but others I have spoken with are not ignorant of Scriptures. Instead they seem to intentionally distort them from unbelief of them.

well there are allot of liberals that grew up in the church. while others took a wrong step in their study of the bible.

 

[Squigglylines]

well there are allot of liberals that grew up in the church. while others took a wrong step in their study of the bible.

And so you referred to the Bible as "the Bible"(meaning ownership/yours) now look back through his last several post and he consistently says to read "your bible" as if it was not his, but instead yours.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

And so you referred to the Bible as "the Bible"(meaning ownership/yours) now look back through his last several post and he consistently says to read "your bible" as if it was not his, but instead yours.

I stopped reading what he was saying. I think you are right, I think you have him figured out.