He Comes Back as the King of Israel

[2Thewaters]

correct

choose ye this day whom ye will serve.

Jewish Jesus or satan the blond aryan?

 

[dcontroversal]

Why do Gentiles forget that Jesus was a Jew? Why do they forget that it is through the Jewish people we have the Bible we love so dearly? When you love somebody, don't you also love who they love? Our Messiah loves the Jewish people, and not only should we love them, we should feel a debt of gratitude.

History is filled with stories of persecutions, expulsions, imprisonments, confiscations, rapes and mass murder of Jews at the hands of so-called Christians who lost their way. More than 30,000 Jewish ‘converts’ were burned at the stake by the Catholic church from 1500 to 1800 for the sin of returning to Judaism!

Have Gentiles today, lost their way? Are we to be a light unto the Jews? History shows when Gentiles forget their Jewishness we begin to accuse Jews of all kinds of hateful things and to our detriment. Furthermore, as soon as Church leaders forgot their Jewish roots, they started creating theologies that teach that the Church has replaced Israel, God has rejected Israel (see Jer. 31:35ff) and even, that God hates the Jews (c. John Chrysostom 347CE-407CE).

If you love Yeshua, then you should know that He loves his natural brothers and longs to see them embrace Him. In tears He told the Orthodox Jews of Jerusalem, “You will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord’” (Matt. 23:39). Whenever a groom is invited to the altar in a Jewish wedding, the cantor sings, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Yeshua is the bridegroom and He will return when they call for Him.

Romans 11:11 says that salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. God has put an anointing in Gentile believers to reach Jewish people. Even as Israel was called to be a light the nations (Is. 42:6 & 49:6), the nations are now called to reach Israel with the love of God.

Do you have the love of God?

Israel is the apple of God's eye and lest we forget, Israel has not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God. All who bless Israel will God bless and all who curse Israel God will curse. I love Israel and the Jewish people and as I have said in the past, If anything ever happened to my wife and son, I would move to Israel, join the IDF and go down defending Israel. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (ISRAEL) cause His face to shine down upon Jerusalem and may the enemies of Israel be as ashes under the feet of the Jewish (Hebrew) people!

 

[john832]

Israel is the apple of God's eye and lest we forget, Israel has not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God. All who bless Israel will God bless and all who curse Israel God will curse. I love Israel and the Jewish people and as I have said in the past, If anything ever happened to my wife and son, I would move to Israel, join the IDF and go down defending Israel. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (ISRAEL) cause His face to shine down upon Jerusalem and may the enemies of Israel be as ashes under the feet of the Jewish (Hebrew) people!

You do realize that Israel and Judah are to completely different entities, don't you?

 

[JaumeJ]

This is exactly how I felt and feel about Yeshua.

Those who are supposed to be most educated in the Word ignoring the heritage of our faith, Abraham, who was given the promise that his descendants would possess the Gate of their enemies. That Gate is Yeshua, Jesus, and we come in to be with the original flock.

I am sorry if this offends many, but the original flock consists of the Children of Israel.

It is offensive what people have done to our Savior in teaching to ignore He is a Jew.

Yeshua and Jesus may be translated as Salvation, and this is what was being said when it was written "Salvation is from the Jews."

Halleluyah, my King is the King of the Jews, and being His subject makes me what? Can you tell?

When I realized I had been so blind as to the relationship Gentiles are supposed to have with the Jews, and really what the whole Bible was about, I could barely function for days. It was as if my whole life had been a lie! Then I got mad about all the preachers I've listened to. Then I had to acknowledge the truth, I had no one to blame but myself. I had not been diligently seeking God, nor did I love Him with all my heart and soul. I can do nothing about my past, but I can repent, and change my ways.

 

[biscuit]

When I realized I had been so blind as to the relationship Gentiles are supposed to have with the Jews, and really what the whole Bible was about, I could barely function for days. It was as if my whole life had been a lie! Then I got mad about all the preachers I've listened to. Then I had to acknowledge the truth, I had no one to blame but myself. I had not been diligently seeking God, nor did I love Him with all my heart and soul. I can do nothing about my past, but I can repent, and change my ways.

I am glad you saw the 'light' as I did later in life. With Jesus it is never too late. That why it is so important to read both OT & NT with passion, power & authority. If not, we are going to be tripped by these crooked, corrupt pastors & preachers. If Christians know the Bible well enough, we wouldn't have this huge confusion with many parts of the Scriptures. These crooked, corrupted and greedy pastors/preachers are "banking" on this confusion to fund their lifestyles.

 

[posthuman]

Why do you forget that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile? The wall has been brought down, all in Christ are one family, Children of God as depicted by Paul as a cultivated olive tree.

do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.
(Romans 11:18)

when a branch is grafted into a tree, does the tree become the kind that was grafted in?

For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
(Isaiah 14:1)

 

[john832]

Karaster, you ask if we have the love of God? That reminded me of this writing from 119 ministries.

Do You Love God?
Absurd question right? Don't we all love God? Biblically though, what does that really mean? Does God define how He wants to be loved, or do we? Does loving God matter at all, or is it all about God loving us (grace)?

Mat 22:35 - 38 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.

Do we love God with Biblical definitions or do we love God with our own definition of love? This matters, right? So what definition are we using? I believe we may have put so much emphasis on God’s grace that we sometimes forget how to love Him back.

1Jn 4:19 We love Him, because He first loved us.

So because of His love through grace, this should cause us to love Him back, right? This begs the question “How do we love God with all our heart, with all our soul and with all our mind? This is, after all, the Number ONE COMMANDMENT. And shame on us if we cannot get the #1 commandment correct.

So how do we love Him? Is there a practical answer to this question or are we left with self-determined philosophical definitions of love?

How much does God play a role in answering on how He wants to be loved?

You have probably heard that the best way to interpret the Bible is through the Bible itself. So, in order to better understand what our Lord’s definition of what love is let’s look at the 7 scriptures written by the apostle John, with the first 4 of Jesus speaking.

1. Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
2. Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
3. Joh 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
4. Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
5. 1Jn 2:4-5 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6. 1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
7. 2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

It should be obvious that loving God is by keeping His commandments. This strips away all philosophical or self-determined definitions of love. When we disobey or ignore His Word we are in fact showing Him we do not love Him, regardless the loving things we might say about Him or to Him in puplic or private . It is our obedience to Him that reveals our love to Him. It is not our loving words or good intentions or deeds.
Why do you think Jesus said this to the Pharisees? Mar 7:6-8 This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

What would you think if your spouse told you that they love you but always ignored what you like and did whatever they wanted to do day after day without ever considering your wishes? What if they did whatever they want based on their own ideas on how they decided how to love you? Their profession of love would not mean much. You would know they are lying or they don’t really know what the word love means.

1Jn 2:4-5 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

So it is the same when we tell Jesus how much we love Him while ignoring or disobeying His Word to do whatever we want to do.

To make matters worse, Satan has taken advantage of our Biblical ignorance of love and it has become wilfull disobedience through overall confusion and has formed a very unbiblical theology that persuades Christians through various movements, programs, peer church organizations that proclaiming and obeying God’s commandments is not love at all, but in fact, legalism. You might even hear pastors say that God’s commandments are a scrary list of do’s and don’t do’s. Instead, we are sometimes told we should focus on grace and His love for us.

Sadly, by down-playing the commandments we are in fact down-playing the love of God.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Many times I have read here in CC the idea “don’t focus so much on God’s commandments, but just focus on grace.” But what are they really saying? They are saying we should not focus on loving God, but instead focus on being loved by God.

Grace is God’s love for us. No debate!!! Keep in mind that God’s commandments are our love to Him and to others, which we have already scripturally established.

So, perhaps the next time you read “Don’t focus so much on God’s commandments”, we should ask “Why shouldn’t I focus on loving God and others? Sadly, they are in effect saying with their lips “I only care about God loving me and not loving Him back”. Surely, no one wants to be saying such things!! But if you really want to love God, then keep His Commandments. I am not saying that, the Bible is.

Some people actually praise God in the belief that God has abolished His Law. In reality, God defines His own character in His own heart through the law that He gave us, yet some praise Him for abolishing it. It is the same image that we are to conform to and following God’s will is going after Him in His own heart.

Act 13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

Are you interested in knowing and going after God’s own heart and do you want to be after God’s own heart? Then I hope you will read all of what David wrote in Psalms 119. It is a long chapter, actually, the longest chapter in the whole Bible. It is completely dedicated to loving God through His law. Psalms 119 does not look like anything you see streaming out of mainstream pulpit too often. Sadly today, the church is not likely to generate too many David’s.

So if the greatest commandment is to love God with all our heart, soul and mind and loving God is actually defined by the Bible as keeping all of His commandments, perhaps there is only one thing left to say:

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

(Transcribed from 119ministries.com video teaching.)

Very good WLT, the question is "Do you love God enough to do what He says to do?" He says that real love is to keep the Commandments. Do we love Him enough to obey every word?

 

[john832]

i posted the same verse in another thread minutes ago, before i saw it here!

i read this the other day and it's been on my mind since -- some say it was fulfilled in Christ, or in the apostles - or is it for a future day?

It is fur the future. The Gentiles are not doing that right now, are they?

 

[dcontroversal]

You do realize that Israel and Judah are to completely different entities, don't you?

Come on John...do you seriously have to ask me that question?

Jeremiah 51:5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the Lord of hosts; though their land (was) filled with sins against the Holy One of Israel.

I have studied well the history of Israel including the following...

1. The division of Israel and Judah as a result of the policies of Rehoboam
2. The spiral of the Northern Kingdom of Israel into complete idolatry and her destruction by the Assyrians
3. The spiral of Judah into spiritual adultery and her three subsequent invasions and deportations by Babylon
4. The return from Babylonian captivity--->Daniel took Jeremiah's writing and figured the math to 70 years of captivity

Etc....

God in the O.T. and in (future) context uses both phrases and Israel/Judah as designations of (ISRAEL) and without a doubt they were being brought back together when Israel as a (state) nation came online in 47,48.

 

[john832]

Come on John...do you seriously have to ask me that question?

Jeremiah 51:5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the Lord of hosts; though their land (was) filled with sins against the Holy One of Israel.

I have studied well the history of Israel including the following...

1. The division of Israel and Judah as a result of the policies of Rehoboam
2. The spiral of the Northern Kingdom of Israel into complete idolatry and her destruction by the Assyrians
3. The spiral of Judah into spiritual adultery and her three subsequent invasions and deportations by Babylon
4. The return from Babylonian captivity--->Daniel took Jeremiah's writing and figured the math to 70 years of captivity

Etc....

God in the O.T. and in (future) context uses both phrases and Israel/Judah as designations of (ISRAEL) and without a doubt they were being brought back together when Israel as a (state) nation came online in 47,48.

Sorry, my friend, but there are those who use the term interchangably and haven't a clue they are two separate nations and only Judah (Benjamin and Levi) are living in what we call the State of Israel today.

My apologies, that's what I get for assuming, I made an @** of myself only.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry, my friend, but there are those who use the term interchangably and haven't a clue they are two separate nations and only Judah (Benjamin and Levi) are living in what we call the State of Israel today.

My apologies, that's what I get for assuming, I made an @** of myself only.

No biggie brother.. I agree that a lot of people only know a few (Sunday school stories) when it comes to Israel...PLEASE NOTE ALL THAT I DID NOT SAY (ALL) as I said A LOT OF PEOPLE

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry, my friend, but there are those who use the term interchangably and haven't a clue they are two separate nations and only Judah (Benjamin and Levi) are living in what we call the State of Israel today.

My apologies, that's what I get for assuming, I made an @** of myself only.

HAHAHA would that be an (asterisk) of yourself hahah just teasing mi amigo!

 

[john832]

HAHAHA would that be an (asterisk) of yourself hahah just teasing mi amigo!

That is a good one. Can I have your permission to use it?

 

[dcontroversal]

That is a good one. Can I have your permission to use it?

You bet...I even do that occasionally hahahha

 

[Karraster]

I am glad you saw the 'light' as I did later in life. With Jesus it is never too late. That why it is so important to read both OT & NT with passion, power & authority. If not, we are going to be tripped by these crooked, corrupt pastors & preachers. If Christians know the Bible well enough, we wouldn't have this huge confusion with many parts of the Scriptures. These crooked, corrupted and greedy pastors/preachers are "banking" on this confusion to fund their lifestyles.

For so long I was just coasting...now I'm wondering how to make up for lost time? I need serious study!!! and humility too. Praying for guidance.

 

[john832]

It is fur the future. The Gentiles are not doing that right now, are they?

Sorry about my fat finger spelling...

It is fOr the future. The Gentiles are not doing that right now, are they?

 

[Karraster]

Sorry about my fat finger spelling...

It is fOr the future. The Gentiles are not doing that right now, are they?

We're not? If we are not, why aren't we?

 

[john832]

We're not? If we are not, why aren't we?

At that time, it is Israel who will lead the Gentiles to Christ...

Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Isa 49:5 And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Remember who the New Covenant is made with?

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

[biscuit]

For so long I was just coasting...now I'm wondering how to make up for lost time? I need serious study!!! and humility too. Praying for guidance.

No need to make up for lost time because you are a member of the royal family now.

 

[starfield]

Why do Gentiles forget that Jesus was a Jew? Why do they forget that it is through the Jewish people we have the Bible we love so dearly? When you love somebody, don't you also love who they love? Our Messiah loves the Jewish people, and not only should we love them, we should feel a debt of gratitude.

History is filled with stories of persecutions, expulsions, imprisonments, confiscations, rapes and mass murder of Jews at the hands of so-called Christians who lost their way. More than 30,000 Jewish ‘converts’ were burned at the stake by the Catholic church from 1500 to 1800 for the sin of returning to Judaism!

Have Gentiles today, lost their way? Are we to be a light unto the Jews? History shows when Gentiles forget their Jewishness we begin to accuse Jews of all kinds of hateful things and to our detriment. Furthermore, as soon as Church leaders forgot their Jewish roots, they started creating theologies that teach that the Church has replaced Israel, God has rejected Israel (see Jer. 31:35ff) and even, that God hates the Jews (c. John Chrysostom 347CE-407CE).

If you love Yeshua, then you should know that He loves his natural brothers and longs to see them embrace Him. In tears He told the Orthodox Jews of Jerusalem, “You will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord’” (Matt. 23:39). Whenever a groom is invited to the altar in a Jewish wedding, the cantor sings, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Yeshua is the bridegroom and He will return when they call for Him.

Romans 11:11 says that salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. God has put an anointing in Gentile believers to reach Jewish people. Even as Israel was called to be a light the nations (Is. 42:6 & 49:6), the nations are now called to reach Israel with the love of God.

Do you have the love of God?

According to scripture the church, all born again believers, is the true Israel of God. Paul wrote that not all Israel were actually of Israel and being a Jew had to do with inward circumcision via the new birth. It is written...

Romans 2:28-29
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians 3:6-7, 28-29
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.