Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

[danschance]

Christ is the what? First of all the word is "of" not "to" as you have misquoted...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Secondly, the word end here means the result. We've been through this before...

Yes, we have been thru this before and as you may recall I said that Greek word most often is translated as "end" not result. I will trust that the Greek scholars who translated that verse in my bible did a good job by translating it as end. The NASB and ESV are considered to be the most accurate translations and they are the translations I post.

Just reading your posts today, you have accused me claiming I am better than John the baptist, suggest it is OK for me to eat human flesh and poison dart frogs. Now you are attempting to change the meaning of a passage by claiming end means result. It would appear that you have no bottom to the depths you are willing to go to make a point.

 

[john832]

I think it rather funny that the legalistic judaizers are taking a similar position as the replacement theologians do by denying any dispensation of sorts.The only difference is that the replacemment people want to make everything the church and the judaizers want everything Judaism, especially Levitical Judaism.
Here is my 2¢ ...

Galatians 5:1, 13, 18, 22-23 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Not under which Law? OK to bow down to statues? How about lying, that OK. If we are not under the Law, then there is standard of conduct?

'We are not under the PENALTY of the Law. Not under the Law in the sense that we are not under the DEATH PENALTY. This is what Paul plainly shows in Romans 7...

Rom 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
Rom 7:2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

So the Laws governing marriage are an example here.

Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

Or perhaps you think you are not under that Law either.

Is the Law bad?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.

It is sin that produces evil, not the Law and Paul plainly shows here the purpose of the Law is to define sin...

1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

But if you insist on continuing to practice lawlessness...

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

Mat 13:41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

 

[danschance]

Wanna show me where the Laws concerning clean and unclean are Mosaic?

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,

Who is the LORD? Been through that before also, the LORD is the One who became Jesus Christ. This wasn't Moses making this up, this is direct instruction from the one who became Christ.

Yes, the Mosaic laws came from God not Moses and now they are abolished thru Christ for the believer.

 

[chubbena]

I certainly would eat whatever is set before for the sake of the gospel. We are not required to eat kosher as God made that very clear in a vison to Peter.

I would not eat human flesh though. I find that to be revolting and sinful. Everything else is fair game.

Try China where dogs, cats, snakes, reptiles, monkeys and the like are delicacies.

 

[chubbena]

For lobster lovers:

Lobster was considered a mark of poverty or as a food for indentured servants or lower members of society in Maine, Massachusetts, and the Canadian Maritimes, and servants specified in employment agreements that they would not eat lobster more than twice per week.[SUP] [/SUP]Lobster was also commonly served in prisons, much to the displeasure of inmates.[SUP] [/SUP]American lobster was initially deemed worthy only of being used as fertilizer or fish bait, and it was not until well into the twentieth century that it was viewed as more than a low-priced canned staple food.

Wikipedia

 

[chubbena]

This is good stuff

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[john832]

Originally Posted by john832

Christ is the what? First of all the word is "of" not "to" as you have misquoted...

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Secondly, the word end here means the result. We've been through this before...

Yes, we have been thru this before and as you may recall I said that Greek word most often is translated as "end" not result. I will trust that the Greek scholars who translated that verse in my bible did a good job by translating it as end. The NASB and ESV are considered to be the most accurate translations and they are the translations I post.

Just reading your posts today, you have accused me claiming I am better than John the baptist, suggest it is OK for me to eat human flesh and poison dart frogs. Now you are attempting to change the meaning of a passage by claiming end means result. It would appear that you have no bottom to the depths you are willing to go to make a point.

How about explaining this then...

Jas 5:11 Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.

1Pe 1:9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

Tell me about how you trust the translators here.

There is no depth you won't go to to twist the scripture to do away with obedience to God's Law as I showed in the previous posts.

 

[danschance]

Try China where dogs, cats, snakes, reptiles, monkeys and the like are delicacies.

A Chinese proverb states "The Chinese eat anything with four legs and anything with wings except airplanes". However, meat is not eaten daily in China as it is expensive. The average Chinese worker makes 50 to 75 cents a day and even veggies and rice are expensive for them. Pork and Chicken are mostly eaten in China but they will eat whatever they can buy.

 

[crossnote]

Colossians 2:14 "Blotted out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;"

There is a difference between law and ordinances. Paul is not talking about the Law here , but blood ordinances ( rituals ) .

In the Greek it can even be translated "dogma".
Christ nail all those ordinances of blood sacrifices and ritual to the cross.
He blotted out the requirement ,for those ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 "Having abolished in His flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"

God abolished through the flesh of Jesus Christ not the law, but the "the law of commandments contained in ordinances ".

The law was Not done away with, but the ordinances that are in the law.

When we are in Christ an He in us there is true peace and that is the only real peace. The world today is crying peace, peace , and the world is full of violence everywhere.

Ephesians 2:16 "And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"

When we understand better the Word of God ; we can know exactly what kind of peace the new world order of the final generation would bring along with Antichrist. And what kind of Peace God's plans bring ( Matthew 24:32 ) . Its all written in detail in the Bible, that's why all His words are important. They never change.


Colossians 2:15 "And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triuphing over them in it."

In Christ Himself, He gave us power over even Satan himself. So we don't need to hold back or be afraid of anything. None of us are perfect, but when we fall short we are brought back into the perfection of Christ through our repentance. There is forgiveness in Christ by our Heavenly Father every time we come back to Him. He loves you very much. We have power over Satan, and He expects us to use that power and have victory over him. We can order evil spirits out of your life and back to where they came from.

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

Don't let any man judge us about the ordinances that were nailed to the cross with Christ. That was the subject just prior .
God is not a respecter of person, God has a plan for us. And this chapter has been steering us away from traditions of men, and into what is real in His Word.

We are not to allow any person to judge us on those things that God has ordained us to be eaten and drunk . A holy day is a feast day that has been set aside just for worship, or for worshipping or respecting any day over another.

"Sabbath" in the Hebrew means "rest". Hebrews4: , makes it very clear that Christ is our rest every day of the week.

It's saying don't put one day above another in respecting Christ, for we are required to put Christ foremost every day of our lives.
The "new moon" is going by a moon calendar, a calendar of Satan; ( 1 Thessalonians 5:4 ) and we are not children of the night, but of the day. All places in the Scriptures concerning and given in moons ( or months ) deal with Satan's people, and those given in days and years deal apply to the children of God. When we become a child of God, we should rest in Christ every day of the week, and respect all days alike.

Colossians 2:17 "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

This is exactly what those old feast days were, a shadow of the things to come. What is given in times, moons, feast days and sabbaths of old are examples, a school teacher of what Christ would become. Christ is our Passover.

Colossians 2:18 "Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,"


Nothing vain about God's words. If its written in his Law. its meant for us to absorb and read with understanding.

You're all over the board here. Pick one aspect/with one paragraph and I'll try to respond.

 

[Richie_2uk]

You're all over the board here. Pick one aspect/with one paragraph and I'll try to respond.

Why you think I stopped responding, Derailers seems to rule in the forums. lol

 

[jkalyna]

Scripture?

I think it's timohty it says all things are permissable to eat, with thanksgiving, will get back to you gotta go eat now.

 

[jkalyna]

It might be funny about food, but God said, "give honor unto your temple, or God will destroy us." So I think the best foods are the ones that he created like natural things. Fruits, Veg. Proteins, Fish, chicken, etc.
Never know what could be in those boxes with all the names like mixed letters all up. YaY, but not leaving the chocolates, and the cheese cakes, the other stuff, but I never brought plain sugar in over like 17 years, and I'm good, tried to much sugar and my heart started racing, sugar could be bad just as too much salt.

 

[jkalyna]

Hey Richie, just stick with drinking Tea, that's all, lets see what happenes with you, lolll jk

 

[Richie_2uk]

Hey Richie, just stick with drinking Tea, that's all, lets see what happenes with you, lolll jk

Oh there will be nothing in the world that will stop me drinking my tea's hehe.

 

[danschance]

How about explaining this then...

Jas 5:11 Indeed we count them blessed who endure. You have heard of the perseverance of Job and seen the end intended by the Lord—that the Lord is very compassionate and merciful.

1Pe 1:9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

Tell me about how you trust the translators here.

There is no depth you won't go to to twist the scripture to do away with obedience to God's Law as I showed in the previous posts.

Still going to extremes to prove a point?

Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 1 Cor, 15:24

For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. Hebrews 3:14

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev.22:13

Here are three verses with the word end or telos in Greek. Clearly the word "result will not work. Why are you being so being deceptive in claiming telos must be translated as result when that is clearly not the case?

Telos in the NASB has been translated as:
continually* (1)
custom (2)
customs (1)
end (24)
ends (2)
finished (1)
fulfillment (1)
goal (1)
outcome(6)
sum (1)
utmost (1).

NOTE: Not one time in the NASB is telos translated as result.

From the Greek, definitions on telos.

telos: an end, a toll
Original Word: τέλος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: telos
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-os)
Short Definition: an end, purpose, tax
Definition: (a) an end, (b) event or issue, (c) the principal end, aim, purpose, (d) a tax.

5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all itsresults.
[This root (tel-) means "reaching the end (aim)." It is well-illustrated with the old pirate's telescope, unfolding (extending out) one stage at a time to function at full-strength (capacity effectiveness).


Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 5056: τέλος

τέλος, τέλους, τό (cf. Curtius, § 238), from Homerdown, the Sept. mostly for קֵץ;
1. end, i. e.
a. termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be, (in the Greek writings always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time, which they call τελευτή; in the Scriptures also of a temporal end; an end in space is everywhere called πέρας): τῆςβασιλείας, Luke 1:33; ζωῆς, Hebrews 7:3; τοῦκαταργουμένου, 2 Corinthians 3:13; τά τέλητῶν αἰώνων, 1 Corinthians 10:11 (τέλος τῶνἡμερῶν, Nehemiah 13:6; τῶν ἑπτά ἐτῶν, 2 Kings 8:3: ἀρχή καί τέλος καί μεσότηςχρόνων Wis. 7:18); equivalent to he who puts an end to: τέλος νόμου Χριστός, Christ has brought the law to all end (πᾶσιν Χριστός ἀνθρώποιςτέλος τοῦ βίου θάνατος. Demosthenes, 1306, 25), Romans 10:4; cf. Fritzsche at the passage, vol. ii, p. 377f πάντων τό τέλος, the end of all things (i. e. of the present order of things), 1 Peter 4:7; also in the phrases ἕως τέλους, 1 Corinthians 1:8; 2 Corinthians 1:13; μέχρι τέλους, Hebrews 3:6 (Trmarginal reading WH brackets the clause), 14; ἄχριτέλους, Hebrews 6:14; Revelation 2:26. What 'end' is intended the reader must determine by the context; thus, τό τέλος denotes the end of the Messianic pangs (dolores Messiae; see ὠδίν) in Matthew 24:6, 14 (opposed to ἀρχή ὠδίνων); Mark 13:7 (cf. 9);Luke 21:9; τό τέλος in 1 Corinthians 15:24 denotes either the end of the eschatological events, or the end of the resurrection i. e. the last or third act of the resurrection (to include those who had not belonged to the number of οἱ τοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐν τῇ παρουσίααὐτοῦ), 1 Corinthians 15:24 cf. 1 Corinthians 15:23; see DeWette ad loc.; Weizel in the Theol. Studien und Kritiken for 1836, p. 978; Grimm in the Zeitschr. f. wissensch. Theol. for 1873, p. 388ff; (yet cf. Heinrici in Meyer (6te Aufl.) at the passage). εἰς τέλος — to the very end apointed for these evils, Matthew 10:22;Matthew 24:13; Mark 13:13; also at the end, at last, finally, Luke 18:5 (Vulg.in novissimo) (i. e. lest at last by her coming she wear me out; but others take it equivalent to Hebrew לָנֶצַח (cf. Job 14:20 etc. see Trommius) and connect it with the participle, lest by her coming to the last i. e. continually; seeὑπωπιάζω, under the end); John 13:1 (others, to the uttermost, completely (cf. our to the very last); see Westcott, and Weiss (in Meyer 6te Aufl.) at the passage; Grimm on 2 Macc. 8:29), cf. ἀναπάω, under the end (Xenophon, oec. 17, 10; Hesiod, Works, 292; Herodotus 3, 40; 9, 37; Sophocles Phil. 409;Euripides, Ion 1615; Aelian v. h. 10, 16); to the (procurement of their) end, i. e. to destruction (A. V.to the uttermost (cf. references as above)), 1 Thessalonians 2:16 (for לְכָלָה, 2 Chronicles 12:12);τέλος ἔχειν, to have an end, be finished (often in Greek writings), Luke 22:37 (others give τέλος here the sense of fulfilment (cf. τελέω, 2)); equivalent to to perish, Mark 3:26. τό δέ τέλος, adverbially, finally(denique vero): 1 Peter 3:8 (Plato, legg. 6, p. 768 b.;καί τό γέ τέλος, ibid. 5, p. 740 e.; but generally in secular authors τέλος in this sense wants the article; cf. Passow, ii, p. 1857a; (Liddell and Scott, under the word, I. 4 a.)).
b. the end i. e. the last in any succession or series: (ἡ) ἀρχή καί (τό) τέλος, of God, who by his perpetuity survives all things, i. e. eternal, Revelation 1:8 Rec.; .
c. that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue:Matthew 26:58; final lot, fate, as if a recompense: with a genitive of the thing, Romans 6:21; Hebrews 6:8; 1 Peter 1:9; with a genitive of the person whom the destiny befalls, 2 Corinthians 11:15; Philippians 3:19; 1 Peter 4:17; τοῦ κυρίου (genitive of author), the closing experience which befell Job by God's command, James 5:11 (referring to Job 42 (especially verse 12)).
d. the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose: 1 Timothy 1:5 (often so in philos. from Plato, de rep. 6, p. 494 a. down; cf. Fritzsche on Romans, ii., p. 378).
2. toll, custom (i. e. an indirect tax on goods; seeφόρος and κῆνσος): Matthew 17:25; Romans 13:7(Xenophon, Plato, Polybius, Aeschines, Demosthenes, others; 1 Macc. 10:31 1 Macc. 11:35).

 

[john832]

You're all over the board here. Pick one aspect/with one paragraph and I'll try to respond.

Kinda hard to respond to those who pull verses out of context and misuse them. That's why it is so hard for guys like Nathan3 to respond to you and yours.

 

[crossnote]

Inspired Commentary? Where do you get this stuff? I don't trust any commentary. You think the translators are infallible? Ever read about the Comman Johanneum?

It was Mark (probably with Peters assistance) who wrote it after the resurrection. He commented on that incident...His commentary is Scripture. But that probably means little to you since it's not in accord with your presuppositions.

 

[crossnote]

Why you think I stopped responding, Derailers seems to rule in the forums. lol

OIC, you set this train on the tracks and then bailed when you seen the wheels were coming off.

 

[john832]

Still going to extremes to prove a point?



Here are three verses with the word end or telos in Greek. Clearly the word "result will not work. Why are you being so being deceptive in claiming telos must be translated as result when that is clearly not the case?

Telos in the NASB has been translated as:
continually* (1)
custom (2)
customs (1)
end (24)
ends (2)
finished (1)
fulfillment (1)
goal (1)
outcome(6)
sum (1)
utmost (1).

NOTE: Not one time in the NASB is telos translated as result.

From the Greek, definitions on telos.

Please show me how end as destruction, obliteration works in these verses...

Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

The word 'end' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

The word 'custom' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

1Th 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

The word 'uttermost' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

Jas 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

The word 'end' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

The word 'end' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

1Pe 3:8 Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous:

The word 'finally' here is G5056, same as Rom 10:4.

Care to explain these? Show me how they mean the doing away with the subject at hand. You may start with I Pet 1:9 and Jas 5:11.

 

[danschance]

Kinda hard to respond to those who pull verses out of context and misuse them. That's why it is so hard for guys like Nathan3 to respond to you and yours.

Yet you are the one attempting to make the Greek "telos" to only mean "result".