DEBATE - CATHOLIC vs PROTESTANT
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15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[SUP][a][/SUP] so that it will be even more fruitful. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Remain in me, as I also remain in you.No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit;apart from me you can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete
To know Christ is to love Christ
To love Christ is to obey Christ
TO obey Christ is to Abide in Christ
To abide in Christ is to bear fruit for Christ
To bear fruit for Christ is to Joy in Jesus Christ
Abide in Him, and His words Abide in you - Scripture
Bearing fruit for Jesus Christ is how you can know a Christian
It's really not that hard to tell a Christian from a non-christian
15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. [SUP]2 [/SUP]He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[SUP][a][/SUP] so that it will be even more fruitful. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Remain in me, as I also remain in you.No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]“I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit;apart from me you can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. [SUP]8 [/SUP]This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete
To know Christ is to love Christ
To love Christ is to obey Christ
TO obey Christ is to Abide in Christ
To abide in Christ is to bear fruit for Christ
To bear fruit for Christ is to Joy in Jesus Christ
Abide in Him, and His words Abide in you - Scripture
Bearing fruit for Jesus Christ is how you can know a Christian
It's really not that hard to tell a Christian from a non-christian
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He isn't...... lol man we just held a debate for Protestants vs. Catholics during one of our Friday night fellowships. These Protestants came down thinking they knew so much about the Catholic Church, only to find out that they knew almost nothing. They came down LOADED with arguments that were ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED, but in such a beautiful way that brought them to the realisation that everything that they had been taught by their Pastors and Preachers- who scared them away from engaging in Catholic research in the past out of fear of them finding TRUTH- was total crap! I researched Catholic teachings when I was at my most critical mindset of the Catholic Church. I was more critical about it than ANYBODY I've met in this........ place, I guess I'll call it for now lol. I asked Christ over and over and over again to PLEASE take my hand and guide me to the Truth!! And that He did. There was no denying the Fullness Of Truth within Christ's Holy Catholic Church. And the only way you'll find it is if you search. God gave you a brain. Use it. Don't depend on the brains of your Pastors alone. Don't be scared to search for yourself. If you're scared that a monster will jump out of the catechism and eat you, or that your finger might turn into a tenticle if you touch a book written by St. Augustine,just remember that God is mightier than any monster and He won't let that happen lol. Don't be scared to search, cz the truth is, you really don't know enough about the Holy Catholic Church to argue about it. I searched. And searched and searched and searched. I am still searching and searching searching. That's the beauty of Christ's Holy Catholic Church. The more you dig, the more you learn. Which is the only Faith that makes sense. An Infinite God is not as simple as a lot of Protestants make Him out to be. It's not just "believe and receive salvation". You are missing out on so much!!! The Protestant world has domesticated God to a point that makes it ok to do almost anything and not worry about hell. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT SATAN WANTS YOU TO THINK!! WAKE UP!!!
For the record, 2 of those Protestant brothers are coming back to meet us tomorrow to find out more of what they didn't know. And as for the third guy, well, I made a new and extremely special brother who loves Christ as much as I do, and accepts Him almost as much as I do too. Just misunderstands Him a little. Which is fine. Who, out of all us finite humans, can fully understand this Magnificent Infinite God of ours? I just remembered why I haven't come back to this place for a while. I am always discussing things with people who know practically nothing about the Church they aim their accusations at, namely, the Catholic Church. And that's why I'm withdrawing again lol. Peace to you all, my brothers and sister, in the name of Christ Jesus. God bless!
For the record, 2 of those Protestant brothers are coming back to meet us tomorrow to find out more of what they didn't know. And as for the third guy, well, I made a new and extremely special brother who loves Christ as much as I do, and accepts Him almost as much as I do too. Just misunderstands Him a little. Which is fine. Who, out of all us finite humans, can fully understand this Magnificent Infinite God of ours? I just remembered why I haven't come back to this place for a while. I am always discussing things with people who know practically nothing about the Church they aim their accusations at, namely, the Catholic Church. And that's why I'm withdrawing again lol. Peace to you all, my brothers and sister, in the name of Christ Jesus. God bless!
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So are you saying that if you have been justified in Christ and saved then you murder or commit adultery, that if you don't restore that fellowship with Christ you can still get to heaven? Even after you killed someone or raped or adulterated? Is that really what you're saying? Cz that would be taking complete advantage of God Almighty lol I really hope I misunderstood you. And if I did, then please explain.
Ponder this. To read and understand the Holy Bible completely, you MUST be a Catholic. 
To read and understand the Bible correctly you must not take any false catholic interpretation.
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
My Bible teadches me that you should go home and read your Bible and see if your teacher is true
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
wolves kill people
which religion killed 200 million Bible reading crhistians over 1200 years?
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I am curious. When was the ''Queen mother'' added to Catholic teaching? The reason I ask is, I wonder if it was before English involvement. If so, then very interesting. If not, then perhaps the idea is English-influenced. If it is English-influenced, we need to consider cultural differences between the Middle East of Jesus' day and the origin of the ''Queen mother'' idea that you talk about as English-related.
I really am curious. Thank you.
I really am curious. Thank you.
To read the Bible you first have to believe the Bible to be the absolute authority and the word of God to you
God would not leave us helpless to the smarter wolves who make tons of money and make up religious doctrines to make even more money.
The BIG church in Jesus day killed Jesus
he said they would do it again
Wolves are preachers that call themselves of God.
the true christians will be attacked by the big institutions of money laundering religion...
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
God would not leave us helpless to the smarter wolves who make tons of money and make up religious doctrines to make even more money.
The BIG church in Jesus day killed Jesus
he said they would do it again
Wolves are preachers that call themselves of God.
the true christians will be attacked by the big institutions of money laundering religion...
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
Mat 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
Mat 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Do not believe a church
believe the Bible
"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." -Acts 15:20.
"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." -Acts 15:29.
"As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication." -Acts 21:25.
"Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?" -Romans 2:22.
"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth." -1 Corinthians 8:1.
"As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." -1 Corinthians 8:4.
"For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;" -1 Corinthians 8:10.
"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?" -1 Corinthians 10:19.
"But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that showed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:" -1 Corinthians 10:28.
"Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." -1 Corinthians 12:2.
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." -2 Corinthians 6:16.
"For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;" -1 Thessalonians 1:9.
"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." -1 John 5:21.
"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication." -Revelation 2:14.
"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." -Revelation 2:20.
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:" -Revelation 9:20.
believe the Bible
"But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood." -Acts 15:20.
"That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well." -Acts 15:29.
"As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication." -Acts 21:25.
"Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?" -Romans 2:22.
"Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth." -1 Corinthians 8:1.
"As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one." -1 Corinthians 8:4.
"For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;" -1 Corinthians 8:10.
"What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?" -1 Corinthians 10:19.
"But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that showed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:" -1 Corinthians 10:28.
"Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." -1 Corinthians 12:2.
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." -2 Corinthians 6:16.
"For they themselves show of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;" -1 Thessalonians 1:9.
"Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." -1 John 5:21.
"But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication." -Revelation 2:14.
"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." -Revelation 2:20.
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:" -Revelation 9:20.
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I've had this conversation before with one of your friends. You always seem to forget about what the Protestants did to the Catholics in England. I could show you material in that too but I really don't want to waste time on human greed and error. I would just really like Phil to continue on with our conversation without the uneducated interruptions if that's not too much to ask.
I hope you will tell us.
-> Encyclopædia Britannica's Reflections on the Holocaust
Pius XII
Assessment
The controversy that followed Pius throughout his life did not stop with his death. Though upon his death he was praised effusively by world leaders and especially by Jewish groups for his actions during World War II on behalf of the persecuted, within a decade he was depicted in German playwright Rolf Hochhuth's The Deputy (1963) as indifferent to the Nazi genocide. More recently, John Cornwell's controversial book on Pius, Hitler's Pope (1999), characterized him as anti-Semitic. Both depictions, however, lack credible substantiation. ...
-> Encyclopædia Britannica's Reflections on the Holocaust
Pius XII
Assessment
The controversy that followed Pius throughout his life did not stop with his death. Though upon his death he was praised effusively by world leaders and especially by Jewish groups for his actions during World War II on behalf of the persecuted, within a decade he was depicted in German playwright Rolf Hochhuth's The Deputy (1963) as indifferent to the Nazi genocide. More recently, John Cornwell's controversial book on Pius, Hitler's Pope (1999), characterized him as anti-Semitic. Both depictions, however, lack credible substantiation. ...
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That is your caption.And this is off topic,i know.But can you please explain what that means.I am getting the answer that the two options 'right religion' and 'babylon confusion,....' are not having any relation with Christianity.Yes, we have a lot of hypocrites including me.And if that's what you meant you are teaching me a lot.
Thanks for that.I am not ignoring you.Can you add me?Can we remember each other in prayers?Or are you also..?
Please add me as your friend.
Thanks for that.I am not ignoring you.Can you add me?Can we remember each other in prayers?Or are you also..?
Please add me as your friend.