who the heck is Melkizedec? who cares?

[miknik5]

Haggai 2 should have cleared up the truth that none were clean before GOD...therefore none (other than CHRIST) could offer up any offering before GOD...since those who are unclean render the offering unclean.

There is only ONE WAY for any and all men to be made clean...and that is by in and through CHRIST who washes...
And if HE does not wash, one has no part with HIM and are not IN HIM...

No more earthly high priest...but in CHRIST a priestly people because of CHRIST...

 

[miknik5]

And a priestly people called into fellowship with THE SON of GOD for a purpose, a ministry of reconciliation in bringing all men to CHRIST...THE ONE AND ONLY WAY back unto the PRESENCE of THE FATHER...through the TRUE VEIL...which is HIS BODY.

Any "other way" is strange fire before GOD.

 

[badger58]

Is your father still alive?
Teach him to put his faith and hope and trust in THE SON of GOD...in CHRIST JESUS alone...and to believe the SIMPLE GOSPEL...

It is SUFFICIENT...

Stop looking and adding more to THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS!

Classic miknik5
Attack me and my father instead of addressing the subject.
Let me be crystal clear, this topic is not, is not a salvation issue for Christians. I am not saying, nor have I ever thought that this has any bearing on a Christians salvation. There is no other name (Jesus) by which we must be saved. For some reason you don't believe me. I can believe that and still have a different take on my eschatology, than yours. As I said before: You may think that I'm building a crazy house, but I do have Jesus as my foundation.
The day of burning, to see what we have built will abide. As long as we have the foundation right, we shall be saved....

 

[badger58]

Haggai 2 should have cleared up the truth that none were clean before GOD...therefore none (other than CHRIST) could offer up any offering before GOD...since those who are unclean render the offering unclean.

There is only ONE WAY for any and all men to be made clean...and that is by in and through CHRIST who washes...
And if HE does not wash, one has no part with HIM and are not IN HIM...

No more earthly high priest...but in CHRIST a priestly people because of CHRIST...

No problem.... I agree!

 

[miknik5]

Classic miknik5
Attack me and my father instead of addressing the subject.
Let me be crystal clear, this topic is not, is not a salvation issue for Christians. I am not saying, nor have I ever thought that this has any bearing on a Christians salvation. There is no other name (Jesus) by which we must be saved. For some reason you don't believe me. I can believe that and still have a different take on my eschatology, than yours. As I said before: You may think that I'm building a crazy house, but I do have Jesus as my foundation.
The day of burning, to see what we have built will abide. As long as we have the foundation right, we shall be saved....

Attack?
Life in THE SON is LIFE in THE SON.
There is no "Life" in Melchizadek or "any other to come"...

 

[miknik5]

It is a salvation issue for those who are still outside THE DOOR...who now, in your adding confusion to where there should be NO CONFUSION, might incorrectly assume that there is another to come...

There is NO OTHER to come...
And the YEAR of SALVATION is NOW...

There are many who have not even begun on THE FOUNDATION, sir...
So this message is for who?
Us?

Why? What is the need for Melchizadek when CHRIST fulfilled all things in HIMSELF so that HE alone is THE SOURCE of OUR GREAT SALVATION...

What did the believer need to know about Melchizadek when they have CHRIST.
And what did the unbeliever need to know about Melchizadek when they do not even have CHRIST/THE FOUNDATION/THE DOOR...and therefore are still without LIFE...

There is LIFE in THE SON
There is no life in Melchizadek or any other but THE SON...

 

[badger58]

Attack?
Life in THE SON is LIFE in THE SON.
There is no "Life" in Melchizadek or "any other to come"...

We still have the two witnesses, we still need to hear from them.
Let them have the last word before you judge me. By the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established!
It wont be long. Peace

 

[badger58]

Attack?
Life in THE SON is LIFE in THE SON.
There is no "Life" in Melchizadek or "any other to come"...

No beginning of days, nor end of life.
I don't know, but that kinda sounds like he has life in him.
Isn't that the definition of immortality?

 

[miknik5]

Oy vey...
You ARE waiting for another to come...

I suggest you review John 14-17 and understand that HE promised that HE (CHRIST/HIMSELF) would be with us forever, even to the end of the ages.

Did you think that HE needs "help" to "help save" those who come to HIM through faith in HIM and HIM alone?
Why did you think HE promised beforehand that HE would send ANOTHER COMFORTER who would be with us FOREVER...EVEN THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH..that HE would not leave us as orphans, HE would come to us?

Who do you think it is that saves completely and continues to save completely those whose faith is in HIM?

Melchizadek?

No, the SHEEP aren't waiting for another...they know the VOICE of their SHEPHERD now (which I will remind you that GOD, by HIS WORD already declared that HE would put ONE SHEPHERD over HIS FLOCK (Ezekiel 34) not many...

And because HIS SHEEP know HIS VOICE now...they will NOT listen to any other...
In fact, in the day when many will say "here is the christ/there is the christ" they will NOT go out...for just as lightning flashes in the east and is seen in the west, so will the SIGN of THE SON of MAN be...

And those who do go out...where the carcass is there also will the vultures be

Blessed the man who waits 1335 days and does not go out...

 

[miknik5]

No beginning of days, nor end of life.
I don't know, but that kinda sounds like he has life in him.
Isn't that the definition of immortality?

I suggest you also read John 6 and John 10 with regards to "Immortality"...and make a right judgment.

For to whom THE WORD of GOD has come ,"ye are "gods"?????
Not that they are "gods" but that GOD has revealed HIS WORD and TRUTH and because HE has, those who believe have ETERNAL LIFE>

There is LIFE in THE SON...and it is only in THE SON.

Melchizadek can NOT promise ETERNAL LIFE in himself...he can not tell a man to "eat" of him...and no man can be baptized into Melchizadek...nor does any man want to be baptized into Melchizadek...

 

[badger58]

I suggest you also read John 6 and John 10 with regards to "Immortality"...and make a right judgment.

For to whom THE WORD of GOD has come ,"ye are "gods"?????
Not that they are "gods" but that GOD has revealed HIS WORD and TRUTH and because HE has, those who believe have ETERNAL LIFE>

There is LIFE in THE SON...and it is only in THE SON.

Melchizadek can NOT promise ETERNAL LIFE in himself...he can not tell a man to "eat" of him...and no man can be baptized into Melchizadek...nor does any man want to be baptized into Melchizadek...

I suggest you read this, over and over, but with your perfect knowledge, you already know this. Still it wouldn't hurt. It is a beautiful chapter!
1Co 13:1 If I speak in the tongues [fn] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.


1Co 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.


1Co 13:3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, [fn] but do not have love, I gain nothing.


1Co 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.


1Co 13:5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.


1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.


1Co 13:7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.


1Co 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.


1Co 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,


1Co 13:10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.


1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.


1Co 13:12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.


1Co 13:13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

 

[1LonelyKnight]

Noah found grace in the eyes of [the house of] Lord's. Thus Noahide law took hold in England - the church of England being all but destroyed, remains now as a Synagogue of Satan. Likewise the UK and over time - the US. Slavery in Talmudism, slavery in the new world. In time the slaves were released after a great civil war to be empowered in Baal in sports, in music, in entertainment, in government law, science, medicine and notably in Baptist religion.

Noah -->> Noahide law under Talmudism/House of Lord's/ -->> rejection by Melchizadekian (yet again).

Deception by the serpent in the garden, fall of one man by witch many would fall, warning /promise of those / that One rejecter under Melchizadekian spirit that would bruise the head of that serpent of deception. The serpent of kundalini, the serpent in the Tree of Life -- Kabbalah / Talmudic Phariisaical law / Noahide law ...

Melchkzadek left no written gospel as the time of messiah was written in the stars. Jesus completed the Melchizadekian code in life, in teaching and in giving up life in rejection of the serpent demon of Kabbalah. The Melchizadekian system now complete and revealed in the only high priest - Jesus.

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 cor 6:3

 

[DP]

Hebrews 7 gave the answer. It's Jesus of course.

 

[badger58]

Noah found grace in the eyes of [the house of] Lord's. Thus Noahide law took hold in England - the church of England being all but destroyed, remains now as a Synagogue of Satan. Likewise the UK and over time - the US. Slavery in Talmudism, slavery in the new world. In time the slaves were released after a great civil war to be empowered in Baal in sports, in music, in entertainment, in government law, science, medicine and notably in Baptist religion.

Noah -->> Noahide law under Talmudism/House of Lord's/ -->> rejection by Melchizadekian (yet again).

Deception by the serpent in the garden, fall of one man by witch many would fall, warning /promise of those / that One rejecter under Melchizadekian spirit that would bruise the head of that serpent of deception. The serpent of kundalini, the serpent in the Tree of Life -- Kabbalah / Talmudic Phariisaical law / Noahide law ...

Melchkzadek left no written gospel as the time of messiah was written in the stars. Jesus completed the Melchizadekian code in life, in teaching and in giving up life in rejection of the serpent demon of Kabbalah. The Melchizadekian system now complete and revealed in the only high priest - Jesus.

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 cor 6:3

I recognize 1 cor6:3, but everything else above it, I didn't understand. I'm sorry
I know the feeling, when what comes out of your heart gets lost in the translation. One day, there will be a pure language. That makes me smile. Peace brother

 

[badger58]

No problem, if you hadnt said anything I would not have thought a thing of it, I actually missed what you were saying, I think I am still missing it, but no worries here.

Peace unto you in Christ as well

Good morning Pilgrim,
I know you said you have a problem with cutting and pasting articles.
But you also said: Melchizedek was a favorite figure in the Bible.
To me, its like if I heard a really great song on the radio, and wanted to share it with you. I wouldn't pick up a guitar and try to sing it to you(I don't have that talent, very few do) I would tell you the artist and pop in a cd. To me, its the same thing. I'm not a lawyer, I just want freedom of information(all of it). Some think that:to defend the faith, once delivered means we have to sit on our little pile of truth, and fight to the death against any apposing argument. I think truth, if its real truth, would not be that insecure. What is the chaff to the wheat.
I believe truth does not fear investigation, so when someone says: We shouldn't waist our time discussing Melchizedek, we should only talk about Jesus and the gospel. This sends up red flags. We want milk, only milk! REALLY? No...we can discuss more than that. We are admonished by Paul, not to remain babies, but to grow in the grace and knowledge of the lord. I guess I have a different idea about what that means than Miknik5. Yet, I know all scripture is given to us for this end: That we can examine learn, prove and reprove ALL THINGS. A lot of very smart,Christian scholars, as well as the rabinic sages and early church fathers, who have written about Melchizedek. It's right to seek out a multitude of councilors.
May the love of God and His peace be in you.
Melchizedek
or
Melchisedec
(both: mĕlkĭz`ədĕk) [Heb.,=king of righteousness], in the Bible, king of Salem and "priest of the most high God." He blessed Abraham after the defeat of Chedorlaomer, and Abraham gave him tithes from the enemy's spoils. Later, Melchizedek is regarded as an eternal priest, typifying the priesthood of the future Messiah. In the Dead Sea Scrolls

, Melchizedek, as God's eschatological agent, effects the destruction of the angel Belial and the wicked spirits in league with him.
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[miknik5]

We still have the two witnesses, we still need to hear from them.
Let them have the last word before you judge me. By the mouth of two or three witnesses, let every word be established!
It wont be long. Peace

The only ones who need to hear from them are those who did not believe THE GOSPEL.

I already told you that there will be three hearings of the GOSPEL preached:

By men (HIS witnesses today who still testify)
By heavenly men (HIS two witnesses who will give their testimony and then physically die)
By Angels (who will have the EVERLASTING GOSPEL)

The MESSAGE/GOSPEL doesn't change, just those who are called to preach THE MESSAGE until the end of THE YEAR of HIS FAVOR is complete...

 

[badger58]

The only ones who need to hear from them are those who did not believe THE GOSPEL.

I already told you that there will be three hearings of the GOSPEL preached:

By men (HIS witnesses today who still testify)
By heavenly men (HIS two witnesses who will give their testimony and then physically die)
By Angels (who will have the EVERLASTING GOSPEL)

The MESSAGE/GOSPEL doesn't change, just those who are called to preach THE MESSAGE until the end of THE YEAR of HIS FAVOR is complete...

Forgive me, if I do not put what YOU ALREADY TOLD ME above what I have learned from my own bible study and the Holy Spirit.
Did you read 1 Cor 13 like I already told you? Melchizedec is not a waist of time. This Christian chat room is here for Christians to discuss everything pertaining to this life and the life to come. We should not beat anybody over the head with our superior knowledge. We should be civil to all men. We owe nothing to anyone except to love them. We are to: Do good, love justice, and walk humbly with our God. Seek first the kingdom! I am trying the best I know how, with my limited intelligence. I am not your lord, that's God's job, don't try to be mine. Please, for for love of God. Let Him be God!

 

[badger58]

The only ones who need to hear from them are those who did not believe THE GOSPEL.

I already told you that there will be three hearings of the GOSPEL preached:

By men (HIS witnesses today who still testify)
By heavenly men (HIS two witnesses who will give their testimony and then physically die)
By Angels (who will have the EVERLASTING GOSPEL)

The MESSAGE/GOSPEL doesn't change, just those who are called to preach THE MESSAGE until the end of THE YEAR of HIS FAVOR is complete...

The issues are not the issue with you Miknik5
It's your delivery system. You beat people over the head, and you are unwilling to apologize. These are red flags sister.
I want you to be a better YOU. GOD BLESS YOU

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Good morning Pilgrim,
I know you said you have a problem with cutting and pasting articles.

No problem with cut/paste I just dont read what I consider to be dry scholarly article type materials. That is not my preference, I rarely recieve anything that way (just me).

What blesses me or what I post would likely be considered very dry being without the typical imput others come to expect. Its called cherry picking seemingly random verses, and without much rhyme or reason to them, but like I said its a matter of what your spirit receives life from and His words (for me) with very little of their fancy speak does it for me.

But you also said: Melchizedek was a favorite figure in the Bible.
To me, its like if I heard a really great song on the radio, and wanted to share it with you. I wouldn't pick up a guitar and try to sing it to you(I don't have that talent, very few do) I would tell you the artist and pop in a cd. To me, its the same thing. I'm not a lawyer, I just want freedom of information(all of it).

But I have already shared it over the course of years having jumping on various topics and looking at various angles concerning him as a similitude of the one to come (being Christ) and this one seemed pretty generic

Some think that:to defend the faith, once delivered means we have to sit on our little pile of truth, and fight to the death against any apposing argument. I think truth, if its real truth, would not be that insecure. What is the chaff to the wheat.
I believe truth does not fear investigation, so when someone says: We shouldn't waist our time discussing Melchizedek, we should only talk about Jesus and the gospel. This sends up red flags. We want milk, only milk! REALLY? No...we can discuss more than that. We are admonished by Paul, not to remain babies, but to grow in the grace and knowledge of the lord. I guess I have a different idea about what that means than Miknik5. Yet, I know all scripture is given to us for this end: That we can examine learn, prove and reprove ALL THINGS. A lot of very smart,Christian scholars, as well as the rabinic sages and early church fathers, who have written about Melchizedek. It's right to seek out a multitude of councilors.

He is my favorite encompassed into the whole beautiful wrap around of things.

But I am not following the whole conversation I pop in and sort of graze over things, but theres a certain kind of person I gravitate to (its just how I am) the less words they speak from themselves the more I tune in. That is not the case with others (I do understand) each person will gravitate to those whom they will, even as I will, and thats just how I am. The scriptures (by themselves) are never the problem they are the blessing, and I look more for that which handles them without touching them so much in all that intellectual speak (however you say it) and because thats a drag and dries it all out for me. Some love that stuff, and I wouldnt seek to deprive them of it, I would just rather deny myself of it is all. Its just my choice (my preference) others have their and believe you me I am not a preference to them and some of them love to point that out to you (Im used to it and immune to it) they dont receive in the same way I do (or prefer to). Thats fine

Why on earth you commenting on my post (so far back) now? lol

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Badger I dont get the red flags you are speaking about, you seem to be talking about something else which I am not following, and you know I come into this thread (from the start) to sympathize with you not to really talk about the article but more what appeared like a comment on it, but I think there was a misunderstanding earlier in the thread.