Israel.

[CommodoreTeach]

OK let's back it up a moment......he will not forsake........Key and to my point.......when?......in the last days. Recalling the promises made to their father's.

The church does not replace Israel....my point.

The Church is the fulfillment of God's promise to Israel - Jew and Gentile made one in Christ, in the Church. The Church didn't replace Israel - believing Israel became the Church.

Galations 3:26-29
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God has not abandoned Israel....to the point.

As above. The remnant of believing Israel was saved in 70AD. The unbelieving were destroyed. Believing Israel is now one with and indistinguishable from the Church.


Colossians 3:9-11
Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

God made covenants with Israel...not gentiles...to the point.

The New Testament is the New Covenant Christ made with Jews and Gentiles - all men who believe - by His blood.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament [covenant] in my blood, which is shed for you.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So we must conclude that in the end salvation has come to the jews how ever great that number is.

It's not that salvation has finally come to the Jews, but that salvation came to the house of Judah, to the house of Israel and to the gentiles nearly 2000 years ago and has continued to this day. Nothing has changed in that regard and nothing will change until the lord returns.

 

[Leastofall]

It's not that salvation has finally come to the Jews, but that salvation came to the house of Judah, to the house of Israel and to the gentiles nearly 2000 years ago and has continued to this day. Nothing has changed in that regard and nothing will change until the lord returns.

I agree but I think something takes place before his return.
This must come to pass then he will return.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

No, but men are liars who say that's speaking of something other than a believing remnant.

The believing remnants are the Jews. smh

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

I agree but I think something takes place before his return.
This must come to pass then he will return.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

They insist on cutting the Jews out of God's plan. They utterly ignore the covenant of land God made with Abraham. They ignore Romans 11, where all Israel will be saved. smh

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They insist on cutting the Jews out of God's plan. They utterly ignore the covenant of land God made with Abraham. They ignore Romans 11, where all Israel will be saved. smh

You're a slanderer.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

You're a slanderer.

Some have heard bad doctrine they never go back and look at Israel’s covenant and th e prophets pronouncing judgements on them

ado things like this that God was repeatedly saying in the last half of the ot to them ……. become “ people trying to remove Jews “

No one has ever pointed to the prophets for some folks so they’ve never heard stuff like this and the grievance he had against them

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. ( he would spare a small remnant )

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: ( Jesus is the rightful hier who sprang from Judah ) and mine elect shall inherit it, ( Jesus is the elect ) and my servants shall dwell there. ( those who serve Jesus will dwell with him in his inheritance )

But ye ( he’s speaking to israel ) are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 6-9, 11-12, 15-17‬ ‭

people are still trying to figure out how the ot will be fulfilled but it’s already been fulfilled as the curse they chose . There’s no such thing as Jew and gentile to God anymore it’s irrelevant who our ancestors were

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Some have heard bad doctrine they never go back and look at Israel’s covenant and th e prophets pronouncing judgements on them

ado things like this that God was repeatedly saying in the last half of the ot to them ……. become “ people trying to remove Jews “

No one has ever pointed to the prophets for some folks so they’ve never heard stuff like this and the grievance he had against them

“I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts; a people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick; Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. ( he would spare a small remnant )

And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: ( Jesus is the rightful hier who sprang from Judah ) and mine elect shall inherit it, ( Jesus is the elect ) and my servants shall dwell there. ( those who serve Jesus will dwell with him in his inheritance )

But ye ( he’s speaking to israel ) are they that forsake the LORD, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number. Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: that he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:2-3, 6-9, 11-12, 15-17‬ ‭

people are still trying to figure out how the ot will be fulfilled but it’s already been fulfilled as the curse they chose . There’s no such thing as Jew and gentile to God anymore it’s irrelevant who our ancestors were

Ignorance is no excuse for slander.

 

[Leastofall]

They insist on cutting the Jews out of God's plan. They utterly ignore the covenant of land God made with Abraham. They ignore Romans 11, where all Israel will be saved. smh

I've been battling this for 5 yrs now. The church in a lot of areas has totally christianised the new testament to the
Point of excluding israel.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

You're a slanderer.

No, I'm stating YOUR position. If it's different say so.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I've been battling this for 5 yrs now. The church in a lot of areas has totally christianised the new testament to the
Point of excluding israel.

Israel is not excluded. Just carnal interpretations of scripture are

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Ignorance is no excuse for slander.

Naw but what others do and say isn’t an excuse for our behavior either

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Israel is not excluded. Just carnal interpretations of scripture are

Correct gentiles are included with them in the nt

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Naw but what others do and say isn’t an excuse for our behavior either

Which means what specifically?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I've been battling this for 5 yrs now. The church in a lot of areas has totally christianised the new testament to the
Point of excluding israel.

I think a lot of times pointing out that the old covenant isn’t what’s going to save them is misunderstood as if they are removed .

the new covenant was made with israel, tbey aren’t cut out of the new covenant they just aren’t the special and seperwte chosen people anymore everyone is included with them but it’s not thier old covenant anymore they can’t be saved by observing Moses law and Judaism tbey have to convert to the new covenant Christianity

they can’t be saved by the thinfs koses onstructed them thats thier issue they won’t let go of the old covenant and that’s causing the issue that blinds then to Christ and the gospel not all of course many Jews have converted to Christianity over the years Judaism can’t save anyone is the thing and many Jews won’t let it go

they stare at it trusting in Moses and this happens to thier minds and hearts

“and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:13-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

anyone even a Jew who rejects Jesus the messiah is cut out . Gentile who rejects Jesus he’s out israelite that rejects Jesus he’s out . Gentile who accepts Jesus he’s in Jew who accepts Jesus he’s in ….

they aren’t special anymore the old covenant made them seperate and special god was only dealing with them in the ot what changes is the new covenant made with israel eas sent out from Jerusalem to everyone else all nations all people . That’s Gods chosen people now anyone who accepts the gospel being born an Israelite by your flesh means the same thing as being born a gentile by flesh absolutely nothing


the covenant that made israel seperwte and different is done and finished is the thing if they won’t accept Christ they can’t be saved but it’s no different for a gentile same exact requirement have to accept the gospel

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Which means what specifically?

Nothing …

 

[Haidabo]

I've been battling this for 5 yrs now. The church in a lot of areas has totally christianised the new testament to the
Point of excluding israel.

How so,
please present to us
your point of view
concerning this you have stated to us.
So that we may examine it and see if it is the truth.

 

[Haidabo]

They insist on cutting the Jews out of God's plan. They utterly ignore the covenant of land God made with Abraham. They ignore Romans 11, where all Israel will be saved. smh

How so,
please present to us
your point of view
concerning this you have stated to us.
So that we may examine it and see if it is the truth.

 

[Haidabo]

1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ

And yet again you are called out.....aren't you tired by now?

I do not mind anyone calling me out.
In fact it is good for me.
I certainly do not want to believe
anything that is not the truth.
But in discussing doctrine and theology
I will not tell anyone anything
that is not true about me.
Therefore when I say to you
even though or you continue to point out to me
over and over what is written in the bible or any book
or what anyone else has stated as the truth.
If I do not believe I do not believe it.
If you do not accept me
so be it.
Whatever you believe or do not believe
I will not hold it against you.

 

[Haidabo]

That explains why your foundation is so weak. If Christ Is the rock which we build our faith on and the Bible the bricks. you are surly lacking a roof

I do not build anything.
All I do is obey the Holy Ghost.
I leave it all to Him.