Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

[Wansvic]

You are misinterpreting the verses you quoted and omitting others that clearly refute the idea that the son and the father are the same thing. For example:

A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. John 16:16​

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I go to myself? I don't think so.

If you like we can go over them individually because I have no interest in dealing with these verses all at once. So why don't we start with the first one. It doesn't say Jesus is currently in heaven (except in spirit), but rather the one being in heaven, ie the word, came to earth.

Your response indicates your refusal to accept scripture that clearly reveals Jesus was God in the flesh because you can't wrap your head around others.

You do know we are talking about God. Right? With God all things are possible. And stated in the word, is the fact that God limited Himself when He came to the Earth to dwell among those He created.

Also, take note that Jesus said, "Unless a man is reborn he CANNOT SEE (comprehend) the kingdom of God." Scripture reveals it is through belief in the gospel message which requires obedience that NT believers become born again. I ask, as Paul did, "Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?" (Acts 19:1-7) If not, take a look at the keys to the kingdom that Jesus gave to Peter that bring about the reality, "Repent, and be baptized EVERYONE of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

Oh, the treasure one finds when their eyes become open. Hallelujah! Thank you Jesus!

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Your response indicates your refusal to accept scripture that clearly reveals Jesus was God in the flesh because you can't wrap your head around others.

You're making the assumption that Jesus can't be God without being the father.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Sure it does. And you, yourself made reference to the fact that Jesus' make-up was human and divine; He was flesh while also being the essense of God as pertaining to His Spirit.

Jesus isn't the essence of God; he is the form of God.

 

[GWH]

IMO the best understanding is that God's Spirit is both Father and Son as He relates to human believers.
To call the Son "the Father" is logically flawed/confusing from the get-go!

 

[Wansvic]

You're making the assumption that Jesus can't be God without being the father.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John 2:23

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: Deut 6:4

 

[Wansvic]

Jesus isn't the essence of God; he is the form of God.

As stated previously Jesus was both human and divine. He operated from His humanity at times and at others His divinity.

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

AND IF CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Rom 8:9-11

 

[Wansvic]

IMO the best understanding is that God's Spirit is both Father and Son as He relates to human believers.
To call the Son "the Father" is logically flawed/confusing from the get-go!

God is one, not three separate entitities. Deut. 6:4 reveals this; "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." God manifested Himself as Father in creation, Son in redemption, and Holy Spirit in regeneration.

And note, Colossians 2:9-12 reveals that In Jesus dwells the fulness of the Godhead. Not that Jesus is part of the Godhead.

Col 2:9-12
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

 

[Godsgood]

If Jesus is The Everlasting Father (1st Role) with bunch of bible support. At the same time how he became a Son of God (2nd Role) with bunch of bible support too?
Simon Peter whose recognition to Jesus is from God the Father in Heaven.
MATTHEW 16:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Simon Peter also wrote the 2nd Role of Jesus as The Son of God.
According to Simon Peter that Jesus being the Son of God served as model to show the way.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[/QUOTE]

Since Jesus in his one body is playing 2 roles.
1st Role of a Father
2nd Role of a Son of God

Jesus in his 2nd Role as The Son of God is not A God. So he knows nothing and can do nothing
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jesus as the Son of God is not GOOD.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Therefore: Jesus as the Son of God can't save anyone.

 

[Godsgood]

Simon Peter also wrote the 2nd Role of Jesus as The Son of God.
According to Simon Peter that Jesus being the Son of God served as model to show the way.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Since Jesus in his one body is playing 2 roles.
1st Role of a Father
2nd Role of a Son of God

Jesus in his 2nd Role as The Son of God is not A God. So he knows nothing and can do nothing
JOHN 5:19
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Jesus as the Son of God is not GOOD.
LUKE 18:18-19
18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Therefore: Jesus as the Son of God can't save anyone.[/QUOTE]

The question remain:

If Our Lord Jesus Christ is The Everlasting Father and at the same time He is The Son of God, who is the Holy Ghost?

 

[Omegatime]

History lesson from one of Apostle John's disciples

1. For the Lord, revealing Himself to His disciples, that He Himself is the Word, who imparts knowledge of the Father, and reproving the Jews, who imagined that they, had [the knowledge of] God, while they nevertheless rejected His Word, through whom God is made known, declared, No man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whom the Son has willed to reveal [Him]. Matthew 11:27; Luke 10:22 Thus has Matthew set it down, and Luke in like manner, and Mark the very same; for John omits this passage. They, however, who would be wiser than the apostles, write [the verse] in the following manner: No man knew the Father, but the Son; nor the Son, but the Father, and he to whom the Son has willed to reveal [Him]; and they explain it as if the true God were known to none prior to our Lord's advent; and that God who was announced by the prophets, they allege not to be the Father of Christ.

6. For by means of the creation itself, the Word reveals God the Creator; and by means of the world [does He declare] the Lord the Maker of the world; and by means of the formation [of man] the Artificer who formed him; and by the Son that Father who begot the Son: and these things do indeed address all men in the same manner, but all do not in the same way believe them. But by the law and the prophets did the Word preach both Himself and the Father alike [to all]; and all the people heard Him alike, but all did not alike believe. And through the Word Himself who had been made visible and palpable, was the Father shown forth, although all did not equally believe in Him; but all saw the Father in the Son: for the Father is the invisible of the Son, but the Son the visible of the Father. And for this reason all spoke with Christ when He was present [upon earth], and they named Him God. Yea, even the demons exclaimed, on beholding the Son: We know You who You are, the Holy One of God. Mark 1:24 And the devil looking at Him, and tempting Him, said: If You are the Son of God; Matthew 4:3; Luke 4:3 — all thus indeed seeing and speaking of the Son and the Father, but all not believing [in them].