Random Questions; Bible-based answers

[GWH]

On the pope, I'm with you anyone like him who thinks when he speaks it trumps what JESUS says is a problem and of course NOT OF GOD.

No doubt the catholic church suppressed people, but today that does not come into play.

What comes into play is people will NOT ACCEPT HIS word so they start churches with their personal beliefs and not HIS word.

Like, say this prayer and your saved.
Or we are saved by grace or faith alone do anything else is a work.
Or Paul preached a different message.
Or being baptized is for show the list goes on ALL NOT BIBLE.

I did notice you didn't answer any of the questions I asked.

Have you ever searched what different church's foundation is?

ALMOST EVERYONE they do everything in JESUS name EXCEPT being baptized.

How many of them are true JESUS disciples and have been filled with the Holy Ghost like JESUS filled HIS DISCIPLES in Acts 2:4? And in every case of showing how to be reborn in the book of Acts they were filled the same way.

Most church's don't use the book of Acts as a foundation or even speak of speaking in tongues.

It is a part of being reborn!!! JESUS said in John 3:5 we need to be born of WATER and of SPIRIT.

Yes, RC experienced a reformation in part, finally ending the Inquisition in 1964 as part of Vatican II.

Yes, people need to learn from 1Cor. 3 NOT to be form divisive denominations, even by disagreeing about WB.

It is problematic to base doctrine on historical passages like Acts instead of doctrinal Scripture such as the epistles.

IMO John 3:5 refers to being born physically (when the water breaks at birth) and spiritually (via saving faith).

 

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Yes, RC experienced a reformation in part, finally ending the Inquisition in 1964 as part of Vatican II.

Yes, people need to learn from 1Cor. 3 NOT to be form divisive denominations, even by disagreeing about WB.

It is problematic to base doctrine on historical passages like Acts instead of doctrinal Scripture such as the epistles.

IMO John 3:5 refers to being born physically (when the water breaks at birth) and spiritually (via saving faith).

Now you understand why so many different denominations.
Statements like this.

It is problematic to base doctrine on historical passages like Acts instead of doctrinal Scripture such as the epistles.

HISTORICAL PASSAGES??? IT'S GODS WORD.

This is what happens to people who do what you are doing,

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Today we have man-made preacher who are leading so many to Hell do to not using ALL OF HIS WORD with ALL of it 2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I feel bad for those who are leading people down the broad and wide path, it will be worse for them than those who don't pick up HIS word and read it for them selves.

Then we have JESUS disciples who speak THE WHOLE TRUTH which is down the straight and narrow path.

We all have choices to make, I'm just here as a JESUS follower planting seeds.

John 3 IS NOT SPEAKING OF NATURAL BIRTH, that is when we GOT ALL OF OUR SINS.

JESUS was speaking to Nicodemus was HE ALREADY BORN???

If we were not born how could we get REBORN??

How could we read HIS WORD?

 

[GWH]

Now you understand why so many different denominations.
Statements like this.

It is problematic to base doctrine on historical passages like Acts instead of doctrinal Scripture such as the epistles.

HISTORICAL PASSAGES??? IT'S GODS WORD.

This is what happens to people who do what you are doing,

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Today we have man-made preacher who are leading so many to Hell do to not using ALL OF HIS WORD with ALL of it 2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I feel bad for those who are leading people down the broad and wide path, it will be worse for them than those who don't pick up HIS word and read it for them selves.

Then we have JESUS disciples who speak THE WHOLE TRUTH which is down the straight and narrow path.

We all have choices to make, I'm just here as a JESUS follower planting seeds.

John 3 IS NOT SPEAKING OF NATURAL BIRTH, that is when we GOT ALL OF OUR SINS.

JESUS was speaking to Nicodemus was HE ALREADY BORN???

If we were not born how could we get REBORN??

How could we read HIS WORD?

It is generally known that historical passages may recount sinful as well as lawful events,
whereas doctrinal passages teach what is right and wrong, so the reader of history will be discerning
and neither add to nor subtract from Scripture/truth.

In John 3:5 Jesus spoke of BOTH natural birth (water=amniotic fluid) AND spiritual rebirth.
Because Nick was born, he could get REborn.

 

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It is generally known that historical passages may recount sinful as well as lawful events,
whereas doctrinal passages teach what is right and wrong, so the reader of history will be discerning
and neither add to nor subtract from Scripture/truth.

In John 3:5 Jesus spoke of BOTH natural birth (water=amniotic fluid) AND spiritual rebirth.
Because Nick was born, he could get REborn.

 

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It is generally known that historical passages may recount sinful as well as lawful events,
whereas doctrinal passages teach what is right and wrong, so the reader of history will be discerning
and neither add to nor subtract from Scripture/truth.

In John 3:5 Jesus spoke of BOTH natural birth (water=amniotic fluid) AND spiritual rebirth.
Because Nick was born, he could get REborn.

All of his word is historical passages, they were not written yesterday.

We can't just use the ones we AGREE with we have to use ALL of them.

In John 3:5 JESUS is referring to being water baptized... and Spirit baptized WE NEED BOTH.

One we do and are responsible for, the other JESUS does.

 

[GWH]

All of his word is historical passages, they were not written yesterday.

We can't just use the ones we AGREE with we have to use ALL of them.

In John 3:5 JESUS is referring to being water baptized... and Spirit baptized WE NEED BOTH.

One we do and are responsible for, the other JESUS does.

You too simply focus on the one verse and ignore all the rest (called proof-texting), which do NOT teach that WB is needed
or essential for salvation, but rather it was a practice/rite/good work carried over from the inter-testament period that was
superseded by the NT doctrine of salvation via faith/SB first, followed by various manifestations of love/the HS, possibly including WB.

 

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You too simply focus on the one verse and ignore all the rest (called proof-texting), which do NOT teach that WB is needed
or essential for salvation, but rather it was a practice/rite/good work carried over from the inter-testament period that was
superseded by the NT doctrine of salvation via faith/SB first, followed by various manifestations of love/the HS, possibly including WB.

I'm sorry if I seem imposbile I like things being VERY CLEAR without any confusion at all.

HIS WORD is that clear and you are sending mix messages.

JESUS says we need BOTH to be REBORN in John 3:5

Example of being filled with the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

So your good with them?

 

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You too simply focus on the one verse and ignore all the rest (called proof-texting), which do NOT teach that WB is needed
or essential for salvation, but rather it was a practice/rite/good work carried over from the inter-testament period that was
superseded by the NT doctrine of salvation via faith/SB first, followed by various manifestations of love/the HS, possibly including WB.

If water baptizm is not nessary then to you we can be saved with out getting rid of our sins.

Do you agree with that?

If a person is saved with out being water bapitzed why do it?

JESUS did it to Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.


You keep giving me instructions but fail to back up what you say with HIS WORD.

 

[GWH]

If water baptizm is not nessary then to you we can be saved with out getting rid of our sins.

Do you agree with that?

If a person is saved with out being water bapitzed why do it?

JESUS did it to Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

You keep giving me instructions but fail to back up what you say with HIS WORD.

I agree with Paul that "getting rid of sins" is achieved by having faith in Christ per HIS WORD in Romans 1-5:

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

 

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I agree with Paul that "getting rid of sins" is achieved by having faith in Christ per HIS WORD in Romans 1-5:

1. Romans 1:16 says the Gospel reveals that (s/e) is for “everyone who believes”, both Jew and Gentile.

2. Romans 1:17 describes s/e as “righteousness from God” that is by faith “from first to last” or from creation until the end.

3. Romans 2:4 teaches that God’s kindness or patience with sinners is meant to lead them toward repentance, which implies that sinners are able to repent because of God’s leading.

4. Romans 2:5 warns that those who do not repent but instead stubbornly resist God’s leading are storing up wrath against themselves for the day when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed, which implies that God enables sinners to repent–or not (cf. Deut. 30:19).

5. Romans 2:6 affirms what is called karma by saying that “God will give to each person according to what he has done”, which (in Gal. 6:7-9) is called reaping what a person sows.

6. Romans 2:7 speaks of the need for “persistence in doing good” and seeking glory, honor and immortality in order to receive s/e or eternal life, which echoes what Jesus commanded (in Matt. 7:7) and connects with the doctrine of perseverance (cf. Heb. 10:36 & Jam. 1:3-4).

7. Romans 2:11 teaches that “God does not show favoritism” (cf. Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17), which is how God judges people justly, so the fact that some sinners ignore God’s Gospel indicates that His will or leading is resistible because of MFW.

8. Romans 2:15 teaches that sinful souls have a conscience or awareness of “the requirements of the law”, which may be combined with Romans 1:20 to teach that God’s power and moral nature or will may be perceived via creation and conscience (called natural revelation), thus those unfamiliar with God’s Word in Scripture have no good reason for resisting divine leading and choosing atheism/evil.

9. Romans 3:20-21 states the law makes souls conscious of sin and that “the Law and Prophets testify” or prepare the way for the new revelation of righteousness from God apart from the Law, which takes up where Romans 1:17 left off.

10. Romans 3:22a says that “righteousness from God” or s/e comes through faith “in Jesus Christ” (cf. Eph. 2:8), a phrase Paul used eleven times in Ephesians 1:3-14 to indicate s/e.

11. Romans 3:22b says that God’s righteousness is given “to all who believe—there is no difference”” signifying that all sinners may believe or be s/e (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, John 3:16, Tit. 2:11), because there is no favoritism (#7).

12. Romans 3:23 teaches that “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”, meaning that no one can be good enough to earn salvation because of their own merit.

13. Romans 3:24 says sinners “are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus” (via faith per v.22, cf. 3:27-28); s/e is free because Christ paid the price/cost.

14. Romans 3:25a explains redemption as being “a sacrifice of atonement” for those who have faith in Christ’s work of dying in their place.

15. Romans 3:25b further explains that God demonstrated his just patience (#3) or forbearance in leaving unpunished those sins committed before the revealing of the Gospel (foreshadowed in Gen. 22:8 & 13), implying that sinners had/have the opportunity to believe and be s/e thereby demonstrating God’s justice/not showing favoritism (#11).

16. Romans 3:26 continues to emphasize divine justice by declaring it three ways (“justice…, just…, justifies”), which justness is synonymous with righteousness (2Thes. 1:5-6, Heb. 6:10).

17. Romans 4:1-25 presents Abraham as a Gentile who became the physical father of the Jews and the spiritual father of all who choose to have faith in God/Christ.

18. Romans 5:1 echoes Eph. 2:8 by describing s/e as justification through faith, Eph. 1:5 & 7 by using the phrase “through Jesus Christ”, and Eph. 2:14 by describing s/e as having peace with God.

The book of Romans is to those who have been saved and have already had their sins removed how did they do that? We need to rightily divide the word.

I really like keeping things simple just as HIS word is an easy to read and understand.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

REAL EASY READ, GET BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR REMISSION OF SINS.

How about just sctipures showing how we get rid of our sins!!!

CAN'T ENTER HEAVEN WITH SINS, so just scripture on how to get rid of them.

 

[GWH]

The book of Romans is to those who have been saved and have already had their sins removed how did they do that? We need to rightily divide the word.

I really like keeping things simple just as HIS word is an easy to read and understand.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

REAL EASY READ, GET BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST FOR REMISSION OF SINS.

How about just sctipures showing how we get rid of our sins!!!

CAN'T ENTER HEAVEN WITH SINS, so just scripture on how to get rid of them.

If you think Romans does not teach how to be saved, you are being too simple!
But I know the real reason you reject it is because it does not teach that WB is necessary in order to be saved.
I guess we can agree to disagree re WB being a sacrament or a symbolic rite portraying SB (vice circumcision) at this point,
so Happy Trails until we discuss again re something else!

 

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If you think Romans does not teach how to be saved, you are being too simple!
But I know the real reason you reject it is because it does not teach that WB is necessary in order to be saved.
I guess we can agree to disagree re WB being a sacrament or a symbolic rite portraying SB (vice circumcision) at this point,
so Happy Trails until we discuss again re something else!

No it does not, it does not tell you how to get rid of your sins or tell you how to get the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave HIS disciples in Acts 2:4. NEED BOTH to be reborn.

I accept all of GOD word including books after the book of Acts.

IT'S YOU WHO chose not to accept all of his word, THROWING THE BOOK OF ACTS IN THE TRASH.

HE is not the author of confusion as so many men today make it, again that is why so many different denomantions.

There is no such thing as agreeing to disagree, we have HIS word and our walk one on one.

So as I go, just keep this in mind when you stand infront of JESUS he will be juding you with HIS WHOLE RULE book not just a letter to a church.

I will tell you this, every time I see someone post things that are not true, I'm going to say something that is also a part of being reborn now I have to work for him to get HIS word the TRUTH out there.

 

[GWH]

No it does not, it does not tell you how to get rid of your sins or tell you how to get the Holy Ghost like JESUS gave HIS disciples in Acts 2:4. NEED BOTH to be reborn.

I accept all of GOD word including books after the book of Acts.

IT'S YOU WHO chose not to accept all of his word, THROWING THE BOOK OF ACTS IN THE TRASH.

HE is not the author of confusion as so many men today make it, again that is why so many different denomantions.

There is no such thing as agreeing to disagree, we have HIS word and our walk one on one.

So as I go, just keep this in mind when you stand infront of JESUS he will be juding you with HIS WHOLE RULE book not just a letter to a church.

I will tell you this, every time I see someone post things that are not true, I'm going to say something that is also a part of being reborn now I have to work for him to get HIS word the TRUTH out there.

Okay, you don't even agree to disagree, so as I have done with a few other dogmatic and judgmental folks,
I hereby bet you a million heavenly dollars I am correct in understanding that sinners are saved by faith in GW as revealed,
which for us is the LJC--and YOU are the one confused to opine otherwise.

 

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Okay, you don't even agree to disagree, so as I have done with a few other dogmatic and judgmental folks,
I hereby bet you a million heavenly dollars I am correct in understanding that sinners are saved by faith in GW as revealed,
which for us is the LJC--and YOU are the one confused to opine otherwise.

When we get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins, isn't that faith?

Trusting JESUS on his word that is when he forgives our sins?

Can't enter Heaven with sin!!

Since you follow Paul only what do you think of Acts 19? where being baptized in JESUS name and speaking in tongues go hand in hand. He's STILL preaching that app 20 YEARS after the day of Pentecost and about the same time he wrote the book of Romans? Then save chapter he stayed and preached for app 2 years.

 

[GWH]

When we get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sins, isn't that faith?

Trusting JESUS on his word that is when he forgives our sins?

Can't enter Heaven with sin!!

Since you follow Paul only what do you think of Acts 19? where being baptized in JESUS name and speaking in tongues go hand in hand. He's STILL preaching that app 20 YEARS after the day of Pentecost and about the same time he wrote the book of Romans? Then save chapter he stayed and preached for app 2 years.

The Romans passage I cited teach that Jesus atoned for sins, and God views believers in Christ as sharing His righteousness.
SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.

Acts 19 indicates that there was a transitional period between the OT preaching of John and the NT preaching of the Gospel,
and the astute among us will notice that nowhere in his epistles did Paul say "Never mind what I taught about GRFS in Romans and other epistles; only pay attention to what Luke recorded in his historical account."

 

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The Romans passage I cited teach that Jesus atoned for sins, and God views believers in Christ as sharing His righteousness.
SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.

Acts 19 indicates that there was a transitional period between the OT preaching of John and the NT preaching of the Gospel,
and the astute among us will notice that nowhere in his epistles did Paul say "Never mind what I taught about GRFS in Romans and other epistles; only pay attention to what Luke recorded in his historical account."

1. The Romans passage I cited teach that Jesus atoned for sins, and God views believers in Christ as sharing His righteousness.

What JESUS did and we need to do are two different things.

2. SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.

If that was true you could back it up with HIS word, IT'S NOT SO IT'S A LIE.

3. Acts 19 lines up with what JESUS said in John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 in which PAUL HIM SELF did.

As I said in the past that is why do many different denominations MEN DON'T LIKE HIS WORD SO THEY MAKE STUFF UP AND PREACH IT LIKE IT'S TRUE AND HIS WORD. BUT IT'S NOT.

The saddest verse to me, and I often wondered how people could be so blind and the more I speak to people about HIS word and keeping men out of it I understand why JESUS put it in HIS WORD.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME YE THAT WORK INIQUIY.

What is iniquity in the Bible mean?
AI Overview
In the Bible, "iniquity" generally refers to a deep-seated moral corruption or wickedness, often involving a conscious choice to act against God's law and will, leading to harmful consequences. It's more than just a simple mistake; it signifies a twisted or distorted state of the heart and actions.

 

[GWH]

1. The Romans passage I cited teach that Jesus atoned for sins, and God views believers in Christ as sharing His righteousness.

What JESUS did and we need to do are two different things.

2. SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of his body/church.
WB is a way/work of outwardly portraying the inward SB/conversion, which will be followed by manifesting one's spiritual gifts.

If that was true you could back it up with HIS word, IT'S NOT SO IT'S A LIE.

3. Acts 19 lines up with what JESUS said in John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 in which PAUL HIM SELF did.

As I said in the past that is why do many different denominations MEN DON'T LIKE HIS WORD SO THEY MAKE STUFF UP AND PREACH IT LIKE IT'S TRUE AND HIS WORD. BUT IT'S NOT.

The saddest verse to me, and I often wondered how people could be so blind and the more I speak to people about HIS word and keeping men out of it I understand why JESUS put it in HIS WORD.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME YE THAT WORK INIQUIY.

What is iniquity in the Bible mean?
AI Overview
In the Bible, "iniquity" generally refers to a deep-seated moral corruption or wickedness, often involving a conscious choice to act against God's law and will, leading to harmful consequences. It's more than just a simple mistake; it signifies a twisted or distorted state of the heart and actions.

I thought we were done, but okay:

1. The Romans passage teaching "God views believers as sharing the righteousness of Christ", and
you saying "What JESUS did and we need to do are two different things" are two different things.

2. Per your request for me to back up saying "SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of His body, after which we will do good works and manifest spiritual gifts," HIS word is Rev. 3:20, 1Cor. 12:30, Eph. 2:8-10 & Rom. 12:4-8. Sorry, I thought you probably were familiar with those. May I suggest that one who is more ignorant of GW should not accuse one who has learned more of His word of being a liar?

3. Re "Acts 19 lines up with what JESUS said in John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 in which PAUL HIM SELF did." Yes, but not with what Paul himself wrote.

4. Re "What is iniquity in the Bible mean?" It refers to moral corruption or wickedness and to hateful/divisive argumentation and being judgmental.

 

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I thought we were done, but okay:

1. The Romans passage teaching "God views believers as sharing the righteousness of Christ", and
you saying "What JESUS did and we need to do are two different things" are two different things.

2. Per your request for me to back up saying "SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of His body, after which we will do good works and manifest spiritual gifts," HIS word is Rev. 3:20, 1Cor. 12:30, Eph. 2:8-10 & Rom. 12:4-8. Sorry, I thought you probably were familiar with those. May I suggest that one who is more ignorant of GW should not accuse one who has learned more of His word of being a liar?

3. Re "Acts 19 lines up with what JESUS said in John 3:5 and Acts 2:38 in which PAUL HIM SELF did." Yes, but not with what Paul himself wrote.

4. Re "What is iniquity in the Bible mean?" It refers to moral corruption or wickedness and to hateful/divisive argumentation and being judgmental.

"Per your request for me to back up saying "SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of His body, after which we will do good works and manifest spiritual gifts,"

THERE IS NO VERSE BACKING UP INVITING JESUS IN OUR HEART!!! How could that be true if HE DON'T HEAR SINNERS?

SHOW ME THAT, yep or that is a lie also.

I helped you since this happens when we are born of the spirit.

NOTICE THE WORDING, THEY WERE ALL FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now we have a foundation of what being filled with the Holy Ghost is, SHOW ME IN THE BELOW SCRIPTURES WHERE THAT HAPPENED.

I am very careful with my words so prove you didn't lie.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Romans 12:4-8
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

I agree with your twist on the word iniquity and if you can't back up what you say that would cover most of it.

FYI, we all have sinned and we all have to repent none of us are perfect and it's not to late.

 

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"Per your request for me to back up saying "SB occurs at the moment of conversion when we invite Jesus into our heart and become members of His body, after which we will do good works and manifest spiritual gifts,"

THERE IS NO VERSE BACKING UP INVITING JESUS IN OUR HEART!!! How could that be true if HE DON'T HEAR SINNERS?

SHOW ME THAT, yep or that is a lie also.

I helped you since this happens when we are born of the spirit.

NOTICE THE WORDING, THEY WERE ALL FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now we have a foundation of what being filled with the Holy Ghost is, SHOW ME IN THE BELOW SCRIPTURES WHERE THAT HAPPENED.

I am very careful with my words so prove you didn't lie.

Revelation 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

1 Corinthians 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

Ephesians 2:8-10
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Romans 12:4-8
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:

5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

I agree with your twist on the word iniquity and if you can't back up what you say that would cover most of it.

FYI, we all have sinned and we all have to repent none of us are perfect and it's not to late.

Ouch, let me explain a couple of things: First, I love to discuss GW but I do my best to avoid arguing/playing verbal ping-pong.
Also, when someone calls me a liar, I hear that in the context of Jesus calling the Pharisees the spawn of Satan, so either disagree respectfully or else we are done.

Now, as for your other comments, I find it odd that you cite Revelation 3:20, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me" but say "THERE IS NO VERSE BACKING UP INVITING JESUS IN OUR HEART!!!" Do you not perceive a disconnect?

Re being Spirit-filled, note that 1 Corinthians 12:30, "Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"
indicates that it may be manifested by various gifts in different believers, but verses such as John 13:35 and Gal. 5:22 indicate that it should be manifested as love in every believer.

Spirit-filling is also indicated in Ephesians 2:8, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God."
The gift of God is the HS = Jesus indwelling the heart.

At least we seem to agree regarding the meaning of iniquity and the need for repentance and humility.