Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

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How about:

“But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:20 NKJV)

Lord is in lower case, apart from the L, and transates the Greek "Kyrios."
Good point. That's another one that I considered, but finding LORD (YHWH) and Lord in the same verse is what sealed it for me. Totally bogus conclusion on my part.
 
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Good point. That's another one that I considered, but finding LORD (YHWH) and Lord in the same verse is what sealed it for me. Totally bogus conclusion on my part.
Well, your post edified me, because I had not realized the dearth of NT references to God as Lord before.
And there sometimes seems to be a dearth of amending our understanding on CC,
so agreement re wrongness is good.
 
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Yes it is.

No assumption, merely reading what it obviously says and means,
although actually the first or original sin was not eating physical fruit, but rather choosing not to doubt the Devil,
not to cooperate with God, and not asking God why the serpent contradicted what He had told them (Gen. 3:4, MT 7:7).
It is wise to question God. The serpent introduced the option of ungodliness or functional atheism, which they chose.

in Gen. 3:7-13. Adam and Eve tried to cover up their crime, refusing to accept responsibility for their mistakes. They should have confessed immediately (1JN 1:9). Instead their ungodly attitude was manifested by a chain of sins, including their silly attempt to hide from God and to blame someone else and very likely “dysfunctional” parenting that probably contributed to the emotional disturbance (anger) in Cain that resulted in the murder of Abel and so on and so forth through the millenniums.
Their original sin was love. We know this is true because if you love God you will keep his commandments. They had sinned before they were tempted they had sinned in their hearts. Why Christ did the whole discourse on sin starts in our hearts, look upon a woman to lust after her and you have committed adulatory. Hate your brother in your heart you have committed murder.

The bible tells us God tempts no man but man is tempted when he is led away by his own lust. They were tempted because they had already been led away by their own lust. Love not the world nor the things in the world anyone who loves the world the Love of the father is not in him. All that is in the world is lust of the flesh.......The tree was good for food, lust of the eyes......it was pleasant to the eyes, and the pride of life........tree to be desired to make one wise. Eve loved the world more than God and lusted for it so she was led away by her own lust and tempted.

Adam loved Eve more than he loved God and took and ate. Adam was never tempted by the fruit he was tempted by his desire to have a relationship with her rather than God. We know that Adam loved Eve more because no man can serve two masters for he will hate the one and love the other, he will hold to one and despise the other. Adam did not want to lose Eve he held firmly to her and did not obey God's commandment.

So anyway Adam was not tempted by the fruit why the devil had never prior to that tempted him as such his weakness and lust was for the woman and why he blamed God for tempting him by saying the woman that you gave me. However God can't tempt any man with evil.

Then the second sin mentioned is also a lack of love. If you don't love your brother you can't love God. If you love God you love your brother, if you love your brother you love God. If you don't love your brother in your heart you are capable of murder. Cain slew Abel.

So the first two sins are the same ones that God said the whole law hangs upon love God and love your brother.

There is nothing new under the sun we can look at our world today and still see see the game plan and temptations being done by the enemy. Get the woman and you get the man. Tempt one with what they don't have and tempt the other with what they fear to lose. This really shows up in our current political climate.
 
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Their original sin was love. We know this is true because if you love God you will keep his commandments. They had sinned before they were tempted they had sinned in their hearts. Why Christ did the whole discourse on sin starts in our hearts, look upon a woman to lust after her and you have committed adulatory. Hate your brother in your heart you have committed murder.

The bible tells us God tempts no man but man is tempted when he is led away by his own lust. They were tempted because they had already been led away by their own lust. Love not the world nor the things in the world anyone who loves the world the Love of the father is not in him. All that is in the world is lust of the flesh.......The tree was good for food, lust of the eyes......it was pleasant to the eyes, and the pride of life........tree to be desired to make one wise. Eve loved the world more than God and lusted for it so she was led away by her own lust and tempted.

Adam loved Eve more than he loved God and took and ate. Adam was never tempted by the fruit he was tempted by his desire to have a relationship with her rather than God. We know that Adam loved Eve more because no man can serve two masters for he will hate the one and love the other, he will hold to one and despise the other. Adam did not want to lose Eve he held firmly to her and did not obey God's commandment.

So anyway Adam was not tempted by the fruit why the devil had never prior to that tempted him as such his weakness and lust was for the woman and why he blamed God for tempting him by saying the woman that you gave me. However God can't tempt any man with evil.

Then the second sin mentioned is also a lack of love. If you don't love your brother you can't love God. If you love God you love your brother, if you love your brother you love God. If you don't love your brother in your heart you are capable of murder. Cain slew Abel.

So the first two sins are the same ones that God said the whole law hangs upon love God and love your brother.

There is nothing new under the sun we can look at our world today and still see see the game plan and temptations being done by the enemy. Get the woman and you get the man. Tempt one with what they don't have and tempt the other with what they fear to lose. This really shows up in our current political climate.
Yes, the OS can be viewed as lack of love for God/GW.
Yes, the OS was in their hearts before it was manifested by their hands and mouths.
Yes, the OS was not confessed and so it led to a chain of sins.

No, one of them should not be blamed more than the other per the Genesis story,
although Paul ignored that aspect when arguing for the submission of women.
 
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I think Jesus Christ is the child, son, Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

In Heb. 2:11-13, Jesus calls believers His brethren. But Heb. 2:13 also calls them "the children whom God has given Me". Similarly, in John 13:11 and John 21:5, Jesus called His disciples: "Children". In John 14:18, Jesus said He would not leave them as "orphans". So Jesus had a relationship with His disciples that was similar to being their father.

John 1:12 says that those who believe become children of God. Since Jesus is God, then believers are His children too. So I think Jesus is the everlasting Father to believers, which is not the same as being God the Father.
Did God then, die on The Cross? If so, Then We have no God Today!
 

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The son of God died; the father can never die. As an analogy, a person's body dies, but their soul still lives.
In The Old Testament, the form of God The Father is a Spirit God.
He had seen in flesh just to fulfill the Testament in Gen 17:7 and Hebrews 9:16-17 as a Testator.
When Jesus died on the cross, his flesh was died but the Spirit continued to exist.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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Did God then, die on The Cross? If so, Then We have no God Today!
Not so at all, for two reasons: First, it was God the Son Who was crucified, not God the Father or the Holy Spirit. Second, central to the gospel is the fact the Jesus rose from the dead:

“But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.” (1Co 15:20 NKJV)

So you cannot say that because Jesus died on the cross, and Jesus is fully God, we have no God today.
 
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With the connection of the 4 verses that Jesus as The Everlasting Father mentioned the fulfillment of the Testament (John 19:30).
Thomas being one of the Apostles proved that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.
JOHN 20:26-28
26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Among the Apostles, it is not just Thomas who proved that Jesus is The Everlasting Father.

Even Apostle John too.
1 JOHN 3:16
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Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
 
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So sad to see christians who do not know Jesus is the Father also
So confusing to call the Son the Father.

The OT Shema (Deut. 6:4) teaches that God is one, and the NT also affirms that there is one God (Eph. 4:6, 1Tim. 2:5). However, the NT teaches that God relates to believers in three ways simultaneously: as the Father, as the Son and as the Holy Spirit.

The Father/Parenthood of God is indicated in Jesus’ model prayer (Matt. 6:9), throughout the Gospel of John (John 3:35, 5:17-18, etc.), and in the epistles of Paul (Rom. 4:11, 8:15, Phil. 2:11). God the Father and Christ’s Sonship are discussed in Hebrews 1:1-4. The Son of God also is mentioned by John (John 1:14, 3:16, etc.) and by Paul (Rom. 1:4, Gal. 2:20, 1Thes. 1:10). The Holy Spirit is mentioned in three successive chapters in John (John 14:26, 15:26, 16:13), frequently in the book of Acts (Acts 1:5, 2:4, 9:17, 13:2, 19:2), and in many of Paul’s letters (Rom. 8:4-26, 1Cor. 6:19, Eph. 4:30) as well as in some of the other epistles (2Pet. 1:21, Jude 20).

It might be helpful to discern which aspect of the triune God is the subject of various biblical statements. These divine aspects or “persons” may be distinguished by role: God the Father as creator or initiator (Gen. 1:1), God the Son as Messiah or mediator (1Tim. 2:5), and God the Spirit as indweller (Rom. 5:5). For example, 1 John 4:7 says love comes from (is initiated by) God (the Father), Galatians 5:22 says that love is a fruit of the (indwelling) Spirit, and Ephesians 3:18 speaks of the (mediating) love of Christ (Rom. 5:8, Eph. 2:18).

We can denote these distinctions by the use of three prepositions: God the Father is over all creation (Eph. 4:6), God the Son is Immanuel or with humanity (Matt. 1:23), and the Holy Spirit is within all believers (Eph. 1:13). A single passage that comes closest to indicating this distinction is Ephesians 3:14-19, in which Paul prays to the Father that through His Spirit of love Christ would dwell in believers’ hearts (also see 1Cor. 8:6).
 
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JESUS AS THE VERLASTING FATHER;

There are lots of bible verses pertaining to Jesus as the Savior and here are few of them. And we can't deny this truth.
TITUS 2:13
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

MATTHEW 1:21
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And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

PHILLIPIANS 3:20
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For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

But God The Father Claimed that God The Father is The Only Savior and No One Else. And we can't deny this truth too.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
 
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JESUS AS THE VERLASTING FATHER;

There are lots of bible verses pertaining to Jesus as the Savior and here are few of them. And we can't deny this truth.
TITUS 2:13
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

MATTHEW 1:21
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And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

PHILLIPIANS 3:20
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For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

But God The Father Claimed that God The Father is The Only Savior and No One Else. And we can't deny this truth too.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 43:11 says that there is no saviour besides the LORD. The LORD is the name of the triune God, not just God the Father.
 
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JESUS AS THE VERLASTING FATHER;

There are lots of bible verses pertaining to Jesus as the Savior and here are few of them. And we can't deny this truth.
TITUS 2:13
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Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

MATTHEW 1:21
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And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

PHILLIPIANS 3:20
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For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

But God The Father Claimed that God The Father is The Only Savior and No One Else. And we can't deny this truth too.
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Jesus as The Everlasting Father.
JOHN 10:38
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
 

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The Lord is one.

But three ages and ministry

Jews knew the Father

Christ came to his own that the gentiles could believe in him and now we are in the age and ministry of the H S

Notice Lord Yeshua breathed the Sprit upon his disciples
 
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op: Why, in Isaiah 9:6 Is "The SON Called Everlasting Father"?

Another Perspective, eh?:

Could be as "The Father, The 'Originator ' ( Begetter? ) of all Creation"?:

"In the beginning was The Word, and The Word Was With God, and The Word Was God.​
The Same Was in the beginning With God. All things Were Made By Him; and Without​
Him Was not any thing Made that Was Made." (John 1:1-2 AV)​
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"For By Him Were ALL things Created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible​
and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all​
things Were Created By Him, and for Him: And He Is Before ALL things, and By Him​
ALL things Consist." (Colossians 1:16-17 AV)​
Amen.
 
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No, but then as far as I know, there is no Scripture which says, "ChristRoseFromTheDead's name shall be called Wonderful, counsellor, mighty God, Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace."
If you look in the Septuagint it doesn't have everlasting father, so the truth can't be determined simply by what the Masoretic Text says in that verse. The NT doesn't support the idea that Jesus is the father.