Is it enough to just believe in Jesus?

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JohnDB

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Or must you believe on his name? I read the KJV and have trouble with this. At the end of the Gospel According to John it says that the signs written about are there so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through his name. The reading can be tricky unless I'm just being very careful about it, but it seems along with what is written about in John 3 it might be necessary to believe on his name, ie. it's not enough to just believe in Jesus. I think this is important. I also think this subject is important for recognizing that the KJV is the Holy Bible to be read as it's the most reasonable (the standard red letter edition, in my opinion) and if you believed through another Bible you might not actually be believing on his name since something could be changed.

Satan believes God and Jesus exists....and is scared of that fact.
 
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Just for clarification for you, you are not and cannot be saved prior to baptism. What are you being saved from? It's your past sins and those are removed at the time of baptism, not before. So, if you're still in sin at the point of your belief, you're NOT saved.

1st Peter 3:20-21

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Acts 22:16

And now why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.’
And clarification for YOU: All OT saints were saved without ever being water baptized, because circumcision was the prescribed sign.
And all who only had access to general revelation were saved without either.

1Pet. 3:20-21 tells you that it is NOT the washing away of filth by water that saves, but rather having a good conscience
because of faith in Jesus Christ.

Acts 22:16 is a historical passage needing clarification by doctrinal passages such as 1Pet. 3:20-21.
 

DJT_47

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And clarification for YOU: All OT saints were saved without ever being water baptized, because circumcision was the prescribed sign.
And all who only had access to general revelation were saved without either.

1Pet. 3:20-21 tells you that it is NOT the washing away of filth by water that saves, but rather having a good conscience
because of faith in Jesus Christ.

Acts 22:16 is a historical passage needing clarification by doctrinal passages such as 1Pet. 3:20-21.
What does the OT criteria have to do with NT baptismal criteria? Nothing. And 1st Peter 3:20-21 plainly says baptism does now save. Period. The rest of the scripture doesn't negate that and does not explain it away, it simply means that it has nothing to do with water washing dirty flesh, but as the logic. Nevertheless it sats baptism saves? Why? Obedience, no different than Naaman in 2 Kings. Baptism saves, and is required for salvation.
 

Haidabo

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Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man. He is God the Son. God the Father is not called "Jesus" in the bible. The Holy Spirit is also fully God, and He is never called "Jesus" in the bible.
Do you know why they all had different names?
 
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What does the OT criteria have to do with NT baptismal criteria? Nothing. And 1st Peter 3:20-21 plainly says baptism does now save. Period. The rest of the scripture doesn't negate that and does not explain it away, it simply means that it has nothing to do with water washing dirty flesh, but as the logic. Nevertheless it sats baptism saves? Why? Obedience, no different than Naaman in 2 Kings. Baptism saves, and is required for salvation.
We already know you think 1Pet. 3:20-21 says WB saves,
and your misreading of the passage was already pointed out,
which you acknowledged halfway, so now it can be hoped
you will focus on the other half that says salvation results
from having a good conscience because of faith in Jesus Christ,
which obeys/cooperates with God's will--by being WB in Acts,
but later by manifesting the loving fruit of the HS--which was what
Jesus said in John 13:35.
 

DJT_47

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We already know you think 1Pet. 3:20-21 says WB saves,
and your misreading of the passage was already pointed out,
which you acknowledged halfway, so now it can be hoped
you will focus on the other half that says salvation results
from having a good conscience because of faith in Jesus Christ,
which obeys/cooperates with God's will--by being WB in Acts,
but later by manifesting the loving fruit of the HS--which was what
Jesus said in John 13:35.
Dah! Read it s l o w l y. THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE IT
1 Peter 3:20-21

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 

Wansvic

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...THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS WHICH IS WHY I BELIEVE IT
1 Peter 3:20-21

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
I agree.
Many insist on manipulating scripture to align with their beliefs, when the meaning of the scripture could not be more clear.

Light shatters the darkness of deception when God's word is accepted as written:

"The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple." Psalm 119:130
 

CS1

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Or must you believe on his name? I read the KJV and have trouble with this. At the end of the Gospel According to John it says that the signs written about are there so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through his name. The reading can be tricky unless I'm just being very careful about it, but it seems along with what is written about in John 3 it might be necessary to believe on his name, ie. it's not enough to just believe in Jesus. I think this is important. I also think this subject is important for recognizing that the KJV is the Holy Bible to be read as it's the most reasonable (the standard red letter edition, in my opinion) and if you believed through another Bible you might not actually be believing on his name since something could be changed.
Splitting hairs, would you not say?


The context is not 'on' or 'in'. It is belief or believe. To understand that belief is the action of faith. A secular definition of belief is to accept something as true, genuine, or real .

For one to accept or agree with the human understanding that something is real or accepted. The individual person validates the belief.

Biblical belief and the concept of believing, as seen in the Hebrew and Greek, are rooted in trusting in God. To believe in Christ means to trust in the work he did on the cross and his resurrection, which is my faith in which one believes or trusts.

John 3:16-19 Romans 10:9-11
 

Karlon

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Or must you believe on his name? I read the KJV and have trouble with this. At the end of the Gospel According to John it says that the signs written about are there so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through his name. The reading can be tricky unless I'm just being very careful about it, but it seems along with what is written about in John 3 it might be necessary to believe on his name, ie. it's not enough to just believe in Jesus. I think this is important. I also think this subject is important for recognizing that the KJV is the Holy Bible to be read as it's the most reasonable (the standard red letter edition, in my opinion) and if you believed through another Bible you might not actually be believing on his name since something could be changed.
Christians believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:9- "that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth & shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised Him ( Jesus ), from the dead, thou shalt be saved". John 14:16, 17, speaking of the Holy Spirit.
 

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Or must you believe on his name? I read the KJV and have trouble with this. At the end of the Gospel According to John it says that the signs written about are there so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through his name. The reading can be tricky unless I'm just being very careful about it, but it seems along with what is written about in John 3 it might be necessary to believe on his name, ie. it's not enough to just believe in Jesus. I think this is important. I also think this subject is important for recognizing that the KJV is the Holy Bible to be read as it's the most reasonable (the standard red letter edition, in my opinion) and if you believed through another Bible you might not actually be believing on his name since something could be changed.
Morning, the NT.

I just like HIS word do the talking.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John JESUS was walking with us.

The book of Acts is the building of the Church.

Most all books after Acts are letters to Churches.

JESUS said in Luke,

Luke 24:46-48
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

JESUS said this in John,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Moving to Acts, JESUS told HIS disciples to wait.

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

This happened,

Acts 2:
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

After that the first message JESUS promised to be preached.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

His word is a real easy read and is clear how to be reborn, faith and grace are a big part of it.

But as you can see, we need to be baptized in JESUS name and HE promises he will fill us with HIS spirit.

GOD BLESS.
 

Ouch

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Or must you believe on his name? I read the KJV and have trouble with this. At the end of the Gospel According to John it says that the signs written about are there so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life through his name. The reading can be tricky unless I'm just being very careful about it, but it seems along with what is written about in John 3 it might be necessary to believe on his name, ie. it's not enough to just believe in Jesus. I think this is important. I also think this subject is important for recognizing that the KJV is the Holy Bible to be read as it's the most reasonable (the standard red letter edition, in my opinion) and if you believed through another Bible you might not actually be believing on his name since something could be changed.
I will add, JESUS warns ANYONE who alters HIS word what happens them.

Revelation 22:18-19
King James Version
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

HE IS THE WORD, when men change it it's NO LONGER HIS WORD but THEIRS.

So who do you follow? JESUS and HIS word or mens twist on it?

If anyone shares those twisted books they are just a guilty as those who twisted it.
 

Ouch

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Exactly. Very simple. This is how it always was.

As to the question of the OP, there are lots of people who believe in Jesus, or claim to do so, but are lost, for example most here would say mormons and jehovah's witnesses arent saved, despite believing in Jesus.
You don't think we have to get rid of our sins?

Just believing is all we need?

After we are reborn we don't have to work for him?
 

Ouch

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Christians believe in God, Jesus & the Holy Spirit. Romans 10:9- "that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth & shalt believe in thine heart that God has raised Him ( Jesus ), from the dead, thou shalt be saved". John 14:16, 17, speaking of the Holy Spirit.
Romans 10, Paul is speaking the the church, telling them to get out and confess JESUS to stay saved. He is not speaking to the unsaved. Read more of that chapter, he goes on to say how can they hear without a preacher?
 
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Not every use of "baptizo" means water immersion. Peter was writing to believing Jews who had been dispersed. Water baptism may have only been for the believing remnant of Israel in anticipation of the earthly kingdom.

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
 
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Not every use of "baptizo" means water immersion. Peter was writing to believing Jews who had been dispersed. Water baptism may have only been for the believing remnant of Israel in anticipation of the earthly kingdom.

1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Well, Philip was sent to baptise an Ethiopian, and it was water baptism:

“So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.” (Ac 8:38 NKJV)
 

Karlon

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Romans 10, Paul is speaking the the church, telling them to get out and confess JESUS to stay saved. He is not speaking to the unsaved. Read more of that chapter, he goes on to say how can they hear without a preacher?
we are to witness the Lord Jesus but we don't have to do it to stay saved. there's nothing in the Bible that teaches that. once saved, always saved! plus, there are people who can't get out of their house to witness.
 
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Well, Philip was sent to baptise an Ethiopian, and it was water baptism:

Philip was preaching the kingdom gospel associated with Israel and water baptism.
 
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Well, Philip was sent to baptise an Ethiopian, and it was water baptism:

Philip was preaching the kingdom gospel associated with Israel and water baptism.
Why would he do that to a non-Jew? And the Ethiopian wasn't the only one. The jailer at Philippi, and Cornelius:

““Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we [have]?” And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.” (Ac 10:47-48 NKJV)
 
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Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The kingdom gospel was intended to make the nation of priests (Israel) that would bring the knowledge of God to the whole world.

One might see the grace gospel as a sort of "plan f"

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