Unconditional love verses from God to us the people

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Since the discussion is about our Father's love being conditional and/or unconditional, I've revised your highlighting to show where this Text speaks of His love being unconditional.

The context is love [as our Father loves]. Once again, Matt5:35b explains how God loves (and blesses) [unconditionally] by providing for all of humanity including His enemies.
  • Love your enemies & bless men who curse you
    • So you become like your Heavenly Father who provides for all men
  • Don't just love those who love you
    • Accordingly, you shall be perfect like your Heavenly Father
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The scripture at Matthew 5:35 says nothing of the kind. You're listing the wrong scripture. In any event, if Jehovah's love were unconditional, it would not have required repentance.

Berean Standard Bible -- Acts 17:30
"Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent."
 
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At the same time, God would still be Love if he condemned all human beings along with the fallen angels. His love was not reason enough to save any of them!
Only if God gave all sinners the opportunity to NOT be condemned but they all ignored it.
 
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Not so! The Father loves his Son precisely because He was always faithful and obedient to his Father (Jn 10:17). And for your further info, the Father and the Son love the elect on the same basis (Jn 14:21; 15:10; 16:27). And this last verse is especially interesting because faith is added to the reason for God's love.
Um... OK
 

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Only if God gave all sinners the opportunity to NOT be condemned but they all ignored it.
Has God given all the fallen angels the opportunity to "NOT be condemned"? Going by your logic, since He has not, then God must not be love. :rolleyes:
 

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studier:

The scripture at Matthew 5:35 says nothing of the kind. You're listing the wrong scripture. In any event, if Jehovah's love were unconditional, it would not have required repentance.

Berean Standard Bible -- Acts 17:30
"Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent."
Thanks for catching the typo. s/b Matt5:45b. Context before and after is love.
 

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But God's love isn't dependent on our obedience, because Paul wrote:

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Ro 5:8 NKJV)

God didn't wait until we reached out to Him before extending His love. In Ephesians we read:

“And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.”

“But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)
Rom 5:8 is teaching that while the elect were still sinners in temporal reality, Christ also died for them in time and space -- all of which demonstrates or bears witness to the truth in the here and now of God's eternal love for his chosen people. For God set His covenant of love upon His elect in/through Christ in eternity -- long before the creation of time.
 

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At the same time, God would still be Love if he condemned all human beings along with the fallen angels. His love was not reason enough to save any of them!
Just to clarify? You simply mean though He is Love He/Love doesn't save all?

Only if God gave all sinners the opportunity to NOT be condemned but they all ignored it.
Would you clarify? Why does Love need to save in order to be Love (assuming I'm reading you correctly)?
 

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Just to clarify? You simply mean though He is Love He/Love doesn't save all?



Would you clarify? Why does Love need to save in order to be Love (assuming I'm reading you correctly)?
I mean more than that! I mean God who is Love would still be a God of Love if he didn't save so much as one soul! If God was somehow morally required to save anyone out of his love, then his love, his character and the rest of his perfections would all be dependent upon his created beings. God himself would not be entirely sufficient unto himself.
 

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The angels fell from heaven so obviously they had the opportunity to be saved!
But unlike mankind, who also fell from grace, God has not provided any salvific remedy for the fallen angels. No one needs to be saved PRIOR to sinning, for you info. From what would any angel need to be saved, if not from his sin!? Did A&E need to be saved before they sinned? :rolleyes:
 
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But unlike mankind, who also fell from grace, God has not provided any salvific remedy for the fallen angels. No one needs to be saved PRIOR to sinning, for you info. From what would any angel need to be saved, if not from his sin!? Did A&E need to be saved before they sinned? :rolleyes:
Scripture does not provide the answer to your question about the angels, but regarding A&E, they were imperfect so they needed saving from sinning, which they did not realize until after sinning.
 

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Scripture does not provide the answer to your question about the angels, but regarding A&E, they were imperfect so they needed saving from sinning, which they did not realize until after sinning.
Scripture does indeed answer my question! Were the fallen angels cast out of heaven before or after they sinned!? And did God provide any salvific remedy for the fallen angels after they sinned like he did with mankind? Moreover, for whom was hell initially created: For the fallen angels or for mankind? And the dark forces of evil know what their eternal fate is if we pay attention to NT teaching.
 

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By the way, GWH, and others here who subscribe to the ill-conceived theory of God's unconditional ["omnilove"], why haven't any of you addressed the other question I raised in my 179 about the true nature of God's love: Infinite or Finite; Eternal or Temporary? Is God's love Eternal as some passages teach or Temporary as other passages reveal? This is indeed a very sticky and problematic issue pertaining to the extent of God's love. Has God "so loved the world" in the distributive sense before the beginning of time and throughout all eternity, or is God's love eternal in nature only in a qualified (limited) sense? Why is everyone so quiet? None of you who believe in the theory of unconditional love are able to reconcile your foolish theory with Dan 12:2; Isa 66:24 or the four Johanine passages I have cited or quoted earlier (Jn 10:17; 14:21; 15:10; 16:27)? Or are you just going to silently and tightly clutch to your bosoms the contradiction your theory presents with scripture?