Clearly you don't understand my tagline. I understand very well God's "power of grace". But FWers do NOT understand this power of grace the way you wrote it above. Look at Mr. Studier's recent post wherein he essentially wrote that men are FREE to accept or reject not the only the gospel but the FREEDOM that Christ offers. He believes this "freedom" is given to a sinner AFTER the sinner repents and believes the gospel -- not before as you just wrote. So, which is it: Before so that it sets men free from the power of their sin nature thereby empowering them to make righteous choices...OR is after so that sinners are free (by their own will) to choose beforehand before they're set free by Christ?
I have not spoken with
@studier on the topic and I'm not reading his posts as I'm discussing this issue with you and you with me, so deal with my words please and I will deal with yours.
I already stated I did not see your point but instead of explaining it, you double down with a defensive and accusatory attitude. Why can't you just discuss ideas without turning into a jerk, at least, that is how you come across? It's not helpful.
Grace does not empower anyone to make the right choice, it sets men free to make their
own choice. Whether that choice is right or wrong, only God can declare for only He can be guaranteed to make the right choice. If grace empowered us to make the right choice, there would be no discussion/debate amongst us. We would all automatically choose the truth.
What grace does, at the point of Gospel hearing, is set men in a position
as if they are free from their sin nature so they can make a decision from their own soul without the binding influence of the sin nature.
Even after we are saved, we are not guaranteed to make the right choice which, is why we are commanded to be filled with the Spirit for it is only from this position can we ever hope do what is right. However, if we lack truth, how can we know what is right? This is why we must worship in Spirit and truth. Jn.4:24
It seems to me you assume we are all born wicked and ignore that our volition comes from our souls which is created in God's image and likeness. We are knowing neither good nor evil but rather, are a blank slate when it comes to wickedness and goodness. But just as the Lord went looking for Adam and Eve in the Garden, so too does the Lord look for us. From the moment we can think He is already there in grace and truth. Truth always precedes the lies of Satan/world or the deceptions of our sin nature this is why Jesus would say those who come to Him have learned from the Father. Jn.6:45
The LORD God gives us many moments of "clarity" before we are hear the Gospel and are able to respond with any degree of understanding.
It is the truth that sets us free Jn.8:31-32 , so if you believe a lie you are not free, even if you are saved. Note, Jesus said it is us abiding in His word that sets us free, not Him abiding in us. This is how we can grieve and quench the Spirit because we reject His truth (He is the truth Jn.14:6 ). He will never cast us aside but we can walk
as if we are not saved, just as an unsaved person can hear the Gospel
as if they are free.
As far as singling out one "FWer" and then labeling the rest of us the same, as if we share in some hive mind, it might be worth noting there are other FWer's who agree with my position.
