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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    I think you're mistaking me for someone else, I've never called myself a reverend. Where in post 154 did you explain to me using the scriptures where the "one God" refers to unity? I'm still not getting, help a brother out. Moreover you've been saying "People have been showing you all...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    I partially agree, The Father is God almighty as you say Jesus is called God as you say The Holy spirit is of God. Yet there is only one God who is the Father alone (1 Cor 8:4-6).
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    I know this, if you read my last post to EG you will see I highlighted that the doctrine is not taught directly but is rather understood after piecing together bits throughout the Bible, he disagreed with me and stated "Again, this is your view, Not based on fact", since he disagreed with me I...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    It is fact that the trinity is not clear cut and defined in scripture, what passage cleary teaches it? Show it if you can, you won't be able to. As I said earlier the trinity is not tuaght in scripture, rather you use the entire bible and piece it together bit by bit, if 'm wrong then produce a...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    Sorry but what scripture comes out and declares the trinity doctrine? None do, rather you piece it together using the entire bible, am I wrong. What I'm doing with Isaiah 48:16 and Isaiah 6:8 is no different. If this is a clear sign you're unable to show any I dont know what is. What post...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    I'm not saying Isaiah 6:8 has the same language, all on saying is that Isaiah 6:8 has Isaiah saying for Jehovah to "send him", then in Isaiah 48:16b we have the speaker saying that he had been "sent" by Jehovah, that is the link I'm making. I'm not suggesting Isaiah 6:8 parallels Isaiah 48:16...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    And I would say the same and the opposite in regards to what you claim. If you couldn't see it my reason for bringing in Isaiah 6:8 is because it referencing Isaiah being sent, "Here I am! Send me!". This corresponds to what how it possible that Isaiah is the one speaking and echoing what...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    If someone who is an expert in Hebrew can come to a conclusion, then its not much of a sterch and a crazy idea that I can come to the same conclusion. You're making out like what I'm saying about Is 48:16b is absurd and made up despite it being documented as the correct understanding. You say...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    What do you do with the two below verses then? How is Jesus the Father if he prays to the Father and if he hands back all things to the Father if he is that one. (John 17:1) "..Jesus spoke these things, and raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your son so...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    I've already told you, why do you want me to repeat myself, v16b. I can give you examples of speakers changing abruptly with no warning whatsoever, read rev 22:10-20. You dismiss the fact that trinitarian scholars themselves say that Isaiah was the speaker here. You are interpreting...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    Really, show me where the chapter states v16 is speaking only about YHWH. No, I'm trying to understand the bible according to its overall context. Again the "beginning" in the verse, whom I believe the word is pertaining to does not relate to the beginning as in Gen 1:1.
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    The original doesn't refute my view because it doesn't identify who the speaker is. Again you assume v16b is YHWH speaking, nowhere does the text say this, thus your claim that it is, is an assumption. Moreover, you are the one who raised this whole issue, therefore the burden of proof lays on...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    If you had a library of resources and looked up the original languages then why when citing the passage have you done so where it clearly shows the quotations? (Your text below) 14 “All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The Lord loves him; He shall...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    You obviously did not grasp what I was trying to tell you in my last reply. Not all translations read the same way as the translation you have used. Your translation has the same speaker in v16 through to v20 and beyond. Other translations do not read in such a way as I will show as it is down...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    Good, that's the very reason why I covered myself by saying the usage was dependent based on " most modern English translations today", I'm well aware of the fact you just highlighted hence by language. The fact remains, the best and brightest readers of the original today state it was Isaiah...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    To say Jesus is the Father because he is God is the same as saying Jesus is God since he's our Father. Again, do you believe Jesus is the Father?
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    You believe Jesus is the Father? This reasoning is circular.
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    The mistake you make is applying what is said by the person speaking in v17 ("Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer")as the identity of the person speaking in v16 ("And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me"). It is Isaiah who says the words "And now the Sovereign LORD has sent me, endowed...
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    "... and the Word was GOd. ..."

    Jesus being referred to as God doesn't necessitate that he is God almighty, for example in 2 Cor 4:4 it states in regards to Satan "among whom the god (ho theos) of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the...
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    Jesus is Jehovah? So Jehovah is Son in trinity?

    I don't get it because the reasoning is not well thought out. I think its a bit of a stretch to say that since Zech 14:5 states YHWH is coming, and Revelation states Jesus is coming that Jesus must be YHWH. In Revelation we have Jehovah sitting on the throne and Jesus displayed as a separate...