DEBATE - CATHOLIC vs PROTESTANT
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Exactly! If a Catholic opens his mouth, then if his teeth is clean, 90% of what he says about Catholicism will be true.
As for the protestants, assuming that your teeth are clean, a reasonable 45%. The anti-Catholic protestants among you? A pitiful 5%. Sorry, folks. The truth hurts!
Wait, I take that back. a pitiful 2%. There we go. That would be a more accurate percentage.
I would like to say: "God bless, everyone!" but that would be insincere in light of the words above. Instead, I'll be a nice guy and compliment Praus for having such a wonderfully feminine profile picture. We all love flowers!
As for the protestants, assuming that your teeth are clean, a reasonable 45%. The anti-Catholic protestants among you? A pitiful 5%. Sorry, folks. The truth hurts!
Wait, I take that back. a pitiful 2%. There we go. That would be a more accurate percentage.
I would like to say: "God bless, everyone!" but that would be insincere in light of the words above. Instead, I'll be a nice guy and compliment Praus for having such a wonderfully feminine profile picture. We all love flowers!
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Exactly! If a Catholic opens his mouth, then if his teeth is clean, 90% of what he says about Catholicism will be true.
As for the protestants, assuming that your teeth are clean, a reasonable 45%. The anti-Catholic protestants among you? A pitiful 5%. Sorry, folks. The truth hurts!
Wait, I take that back. a pitiful 2%. There we go. That would be a more accurate percentage. (...)
As for the protestants, assuming that your teeth are clean, a reasonable 45%. The anti-Catholic protestants among you? A pitiful 5%. Sorry, folks. The truth hurts!
Wait, I take that back. a pitiful 2%. There we go. That would be a more accurate percentage.
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what they say about their own religion may be true WITHIN the context of their own worldview,
but that doesn't mean they're RIGHT.
Your made up percentages are just bogus...
You can test some of the oral Traditionals by going to Scripture because Scripture does elude to some of them. However, you cannot test all of the oral Traditional teachings by Scripture because some oral traditional teachings of the faith were not written down in Scripture. Nor does the Bible claim that all of the Christian faith is only contained in Scripture.
Scripture does however teach us that Jesus passed on authority to his Apostles over the Church that Jesus established. And Scripture shows us that the Apostles passed on their authority to others. So Scripture proves Apostolic succession. Therefore we are to look to the Catholic Church as that authority since their authority came from Apostolic succession through Christ. So if you want to test oral traditional teachings not found in Scripture, then look to the Church that has Apostolic succession, and there you will have the truth. To learn more, then visit VaticanCatholic.com
Scripture does however teach us that Jesus passed on authority to his Apostles over the Church that Jesus established. And Scripture shows us that the Apostles passed on their authority to others. So Scripture proves Apostolic succession. Therefore we are to look to the Catholic Church as that authority since their authority came from Apostolic succession through Christ. So if you want to test oral traditional teachings not found in Scripture, then look to the Church that has Apostolic succession, and there you will have the truth. To learn more, then visit VaticanCatholic.com
I'd have to disagree with you there Dave. Before there where Catholics or Protestants there were simply followers of Christ. You really don't need to be a card-carrying member of a particular church in order to be a Christian. If you accept Jesus then He accepts you, and then the Holy Spirit does the rest. You just have to love the simplicity of God's ultimate plan.
As I read Luke 16 I find the Lord Himself teaching that these who are in the grave and in torments are never going to leave that place. As I read in Revelation the lake of fire into which death and hell are cast burns with everlasting fire and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever. Men are appointed once to die then the judgment. No teaching of everybody being admitted in to heaven after they have paid for their menial sins by suffering. It is my understanding that even the popes believe that they must be purged in this fashion. If my memory is correct the basis for this false teaching is found in 2 Maccabees 12. Those souls are bought out of hell for a price. Peter tells us that we are not redeemed by silver and gold but by the blood of Jesus Christ.
Peter as the first pope is laughable since Peter wanted nothing to do with Gentiles. In Acts we find Peter very reluctant to go to the house of Cornelius until God gave him a vision of the sheet and the unclean vs. clean things. Peter only fellowshipped with Gentiles when there were no Jews present. He was rebuked by Paul for his actions. James was the chief apostle of the early church not Peter. The list goes on and on and on.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Peter as the first pope is laughable since Peter wanted nothing to do with Gentiles. In Acts we find Peter very reluctant to go to the house of Cornelius until God gave him a vision of the sheet and the unclean vs. clean things. Peter only fellowshipped with Gentiles when there were no Jews present. He was rebuked by Paul for his actions. James was the chief apostle of the early church not Peter. The list goes on and on and on.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Jesus said that He would build His church. Jesus did not say that the apostles and disciples would build the church. Jesus builds His church with each soul that He redeems. Jesus saves souls through the witness and testimony of born again souls. souls who have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit. This is done by God and not men. Men hear the word of God and the Holy Spirit brings conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment. Men do not do this but God. It is the zeal of the Lord of Hosts that accomplishes this. Gods word never returns to Him void. I do not base what I believe on popular opinion but on what the word of God teaches.
Well you ought not to rely on Mark 16:19. You cannot understand what scripture teaches apart from God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well you ought not to rely on Mark 16:19. You cannot understand what scripture teaches apart from God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It's easy to test oral traditions. If the Greek Orthodox, the Syrian Orthodox and the RCC all practice the same oral tradition then that's a good sign that it's an important Christian tradition.
For example, rosary counting is a medieval practice unrelated to early Christianity.
-> Fr. William Saunders
For example, rosary counting is a medieval practice unrelated to early Christianity.
-> Fr. William Saunders
The structure of the rosary gradually evolved between the 12th and 15th centuries. Eventually 50 Hail Marys were recited and linked with verses of psalms or other phrases evoking the lives of Jesus and Mary. During this time, this prayer form became known as the rosarium ("rose garden"), actually a common term to designate a collection of similar material, such as an anthology of stories on the same subject or theme. During the 16th century, the structure of the five-decade rosary based on the three sets of mysteries prevailed.
Tradition does hold that St. Dominic (d. 1221) devised the rosary as we know it. Moved by a vision of our Blessed Mother, he preached the use of the rosary in his missionary work among the Albigensians, who had denied the mystery of Christ. Some scholars take exception to St. Dominic's role in forming the rosary. The earliest accounts of his life do not mention it, the Dominican constitutions do not link him with it and contemporaneous portraits do not include it as a symbol to identify the saint."
Tradition does hold that St. Dominic (d. 1221) devised the rosary as we know it. Moved by a vision of our Blessed Mother, he preached the use of the rosary in his missionary work among the Albigensians, who had denied the mystery of Christ. Some scholars take exception to St. Dominic's role in forming the rosary. The earliest accounts of his life do not mention it, the Dominican constitutions do not link him with it and contemporaneous portraits do not include it as a symbol to identify the saint."
I would like to say: "God bless, everyone!" but that would be insincere in light of the words above. Instead, I'll be a nice guy and compliment Praus for having such a wonderfully feminine profile picture. We all love flowers!
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* Green leaves quite disappointed, having thought johannpraus was about to extrapolate on 'oral' traditions of soda, with a taste test of Greek cola and Syrian cola and RCC (Royal Crown Cola) and, sigh, then, it just turned out to be some historical traditional comparison stuff that seemed a lot less appetizing than the soda worthy thoughts that could have materiallized.
