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Yes, I can see that.
How about this brothers and sisters.
A cross can be seen as an intersection.+
The horizontal line represents the entire timeline of human history.
The vertical line represents the work of God, his plan of salvation.
At the center, we see Jesus crucified with His blood pouring out on the earth.(we are made of earth)
He is then buried in the garden tomb where He lay for 3 days. Then the miracle occurs, for it was not possible
for the grave to hold Him. Hallelujah! The author and finisher of our faith is risen back to the Father and the Holy Spirit.
To be seated in Glory. This is a spectacle that the world can either reject or accept. But we can't ignore it, like it never happened!
Is this not the gospel?
How about this brothers and sisters.
A cross can be seen as an intersection.+
The horizontal line represents the entire timeline of human history.
The vertical line represents the work of God, his plan of salvation.
At the center, we see Jesus crucified with His blood pouring out on the earth.(we are made of earth)
He is then buried in the garden tomb where He lay for 3 days. Then the miracle occurs, for it was not possible
for the grave to hold Him. Hallelujah! The author and finisher of our faith is risen back to the Father and the Holy Spirit.
To be seated in Glory. This is a spectacle that the world can either reject or accept. But we can't ignore it, like it never happened!
Is this not the gospel?
Oh, Okay...
Well then "Melchizadek" had a genealogy after all!
And I guess we should believe these "scholars" who contradict and speak against what GOD really said through HIS WORD?
Sounds like that age old lie rearing its head again...
Did GOD really say?
Are you saying that these "scholars" are better than the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews?
Well then "Melchizadek" had a genealogy after all!
And I guess we should believe these "scholars" who contradict and speak against what GOD really said through HIS WORD?
Sounds like that age old lie rearing its head again...
Did GOD really say?
Are you saying that these "scholars" are better than the writer of the Letter to the Hebrews?
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historically speaking melchizedek was most likely a jebusite...a descendant of canaan and probably one of the last believers among the canaanites...
his name is similar to the names of later jebusite kings of jerusalem...such as adonizedek and adonibezek...
more speculatively his lack of genealogy may mean that he was an orphan or a commoner...and he may have gone into exile...which could help account for the shift in jerusalem's prevalent religion after the time of genesis...
his name is similar to the names of later jebusite kings of jerusalem...such as adonizedek and adonibezek...
more speculatively his lack of genealogy may mean that he was an orphan or a commoner...and he may have gone into exile...which could help account for the shift in jerusalem's prevalent religion after the time of genesis...
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Remember Jesus is referred to as a priest on (of) the Order (model/nature/characteristic) of Melchkzadek. His title of Sar Shalom meaning Prince of Salem and Prince of peace (Shalom transliteratez to Salem) marks one attribute. Whence cometh peace? Absence of an identity view (e.g. lineage, ethnicity, tribe etc. as well as absence of a tie to an organized (as it were) religion. Abraham honored Melchkzadek in going to war with the kings and on return gave a tithe of the spoils of war to him. In return this group of warriors were given bread and wine. In this, Jesus refers to this practice saying 'do this (bread and wine fellowship of new warriors) in remembrance of me' (Melchizadekian order). He references the Order again in saying 'before Abraham I AM'. That is to say, above the warrior is the leader of peace bringing doctrines and practices, above the married (e.g. Abraham) are the unmarried, above the tribal/generational are those ending traditions of man, and etc.
The key then is to see Jesus as an ORDER of priests separate and distinct from Aaron or Levi, just as the Nazarene system was distinct. Qumran Essenes (e.g. John the Baptist), Jerusalem Essenes (e.g. James as priest of Jerusalem) and the Nazarene Essenes (e.g. the Ekklesia even such as Abraham).
Salvation is in the teaching and practice of this system or Order of leaders, Jesus being the author and perfecter, the alpha and omega, the LOGOS (Word of reason) that is from the beginning and that which by all things that are made, are made (John 1:1 vis a vis Gen 1:1) ...
That's a simple overview ... Kept simple by phone keyboard .... Perhaps more later.
The key then is to see Jesus as an ORDER of priests separate and distinct from Aaron or Levi, just as the Nazarene system was distinct. Qumran Essenes (e.g. John the Baptist), Jerusalem Essenes (e.g. James as priest of Jerusalem) and the Nazarene Essenes (e.g. the Ekklesia even such as Abraham).
Salvation is in the teaching and practice of this system or Order of leaders, Jesus being the author and perfecter, the alpha and omega, the LOGOS (Word of reason) that is from the beginning and that which by all things that are made, are made (John 1:1 vis a vis Gen 1:1) ...
That's a simple overview ... Kept simple by phone keyboard .... Perhaps more later.
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To Miknik5
I must follow Pauls clear teaching here.
2 Timothy 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
King James Version (KJV)
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You may have to rethink this litmus test that you use. It's unbiblical, and therefore unchristian. Peace!
I must follow Pauls clear teaching here.
2 Timothy 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
You may have to rethink this litmus test that you use. It's unbiblical, and therefore unchristian. Peace!
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the 'shem theory' is a wild guess with no scriptural evidence...it originally comes from rabbinic sources who had a tendency to lump biblical personalities together...
similar 'character mergers' in classical rabbinic commentary are the identification of amraphel with nimrod...and the identification of jethro and job and balaam as advisors to the pharaoh who began murdering the israelite male babies...
similar 'character mergers' in classical rabbinic commentary are the identification of amraphel with nimrod...and the identification of jethro and job and balaam as advisors to the pharaoh who began murdering the israelite male babies...
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Comments or insights into this: Wiki says:
In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), the largest Latter Day Saint denomination, the Melchizedek priesthood is one of two governing priesthoods, which is typically given as a matter of course to worthy male members 18 years and older. No exact rule exists about how much time a man must be a member first; he may receive this priesthood as soon as local church leaders feel he is prepared. Ordination is based on the recipient's age and worthiness and does not require any specific training or aptitude. A candidate for this ordination is interviewed and often counseled to study the 84th, 107th, and 121st sections of the Doctrine and Covenants to begin to understand the oath and covenant of the priesthood, the covenant a person makes with God when he receives the Melchizedek priesthood. The candidate is also usually asked to stand in a gathering of the members of the church to be publicly accepted as being worthy of ordination. For male Latter-day Saints, receiving the Melchizedek priesthood is considered to be a saving ordinance of the gospel.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek_priesthood_(Latter_Day_
In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church), the largest Latter Day Saint denomination, the Melchizedek priesthood is one of two governing priesthoods, which is typically given as a matter of course to worthy male members 18 years and older. No exact rule exists about how much time a man must be a member first; he may receive this priesthood as soon as local church leaders feel he is prepared. Ordination is based on the recipient's age and worthiness and does not require any specific training or aptitude. A candidate for this ordination is interviewed and often counseled to study the 84th, 107th, and 121st sections of the Doctrine and Covenants to begin to understand the oath and covenant of the priesthood, the covenant a person makes with God when he receives the Melchizedek priesthood. The candidate is also usually asked to stand in a gathering of the members of the church to be publicly accepted as being worthy of ordination. For male Latter-day Saints, receiving the Melchizedek priesthood is considered to be a saving ordinance of the gospel.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek_priesthood_(Latter_Day_
