A misconception of obedience

[Ouch]

As you just said in your response, they were not yet Spirit Baptized, they had been water Baptized, not yet by Father and Jesus as one with them in God's Spirit and truth (Spirit) Baptized, yet. God came upon these through using Paul (A willing vessel) and they were made new instantly, by God Father in the risen Son Jesus for them, which words from others cannot reveal this truth These that are born new, just know it and are rested from working as a show and tell, flesh attitude to be accepted by others, No need, since by God these are born new by God's done work of Son for them, first. I have tried and can't, seeing only God can, and does. I know what my motive is, I do not know others as God knows all motives, Romans 8:15-16. I do know, just love all as is the call I see and stand in belief to God over the done work of Son for all. that got done for all in Son for us all to choose. above all else, being new in thankfulness, to God personally.
Be careful not to misunderstand the mystery revealed today by Father and Son for us all to be new in love and mercy given us first, in the reconciliation first as forgiven, by Father thanks to Son doing willingly what is now done, presently and forever, since that cross once for us all to choose to believe God or not consciously so, that is done through Son for us all, to believe truth from God over many errors in this world still here. that cross in the willing death first is done once for us all to be born new in His resurrection, thank you. That only Daddy, PaPa, Father can reveal and does to one person at a time. thank you
No more under Law, that besets people to error(s) and those under Law continue to put people in guilt and pride, that has nothing to do with mercy given us from God Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in love and mercy as given us first by God through Son. thank you Father

Acts 19 HIS word says it. And true they were not spirit baptized BUT THEY ALSO were NOT BAPITZED in JESUS name and need to be.

Why would you say "they were made new instantly" WHERE DID THAT COME FROM, WERE DID YOU READ THAT?

The fact that you don't agree with being baptized in JESUS name removing sins is just the opposite of what HIS WORD says.

Do you realize that the new testament rebirth didn't start until JESUS ascended in Acts 1??? EVERYONE who was baptized by john had to be re baptized!!

Scripture proving that.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

AND in Mark it says this,
16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

So his word is clear, if not baptized you shall be damned! AND you will speak with new tongues!!

Paul knows what is necessary to be reborn.

In Acts 19 Paul asked "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?"

He also asked "Unto what then were ye baptized?"

JESUS said in,

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

End result, they never was filled with the Holy Ghost AND never had their sins removed because they were not baptized in JESUS name only in Johns.

Paul bapitzed them, laid hands on them and this happened, "6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied."

So I'm just sharing HIS word, it's fine if you disagree that is between you and him.

 

[Wansvic]

Water Baptism, made public for the first time by John the Baptist, why?
John was the Son of

Luke 1:5-25
The Birth of John the Baptist Foretold
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; his wife Elizabeth was also a descendant of Aaron. Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. But they were childless because Elizabeth was not able to conceive, and they were both very old. ...

John's Job was to announce the Messiah when he saw the Messiah coming, his Job was to water Baptize Jesus as the High Priest.
Jesus was not a Levite, and so being not a Levite, he would not be accepted in the Priesthood by the Levitical Priesthood, So, John a Levite Priest the Son of Zechariah knew what the Levites did behind the scenes of the people, being a Levite Priest himself. That is why, when they showed up and asked him about what he was doing and is he the Messiah? He told them no. One coming after him that he will announce as the Messiah when he shows up, he will know and tell all so. However, The water Baptism is over, ever since he Water Baptized, The Messiah then announced who Jesus is, after water Baptism. Now, John had done all needed to do as born to do. Then Jesus fulfilled all law and Prophets that predicted is life to be here and do Law perfect, for us the people once for us all. That is now done, John 19:30, John 1:29.
New life is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The Willing dead one first, was and is for reconciliation to all as forgiven to all from God Father for us all. ( 2Cor 5:16-20) to now, turn to Father and ask for the new life in his risen Son for us to be new and love all, no more accusing or excusing, now, being accountable to God and no more independence on self or anyone else
1 John 2:27, read it from verse 1 please we are forgiven by God for us in Son as risen to us to teach each person new in love and mercy given them first, then one will love all in truth, 1 John 4:19
Thank you
Now, yes go ahead and be water Baptized, be willing for that to happen to you too, yet do it as a good conscience between Farther and you, God does just love us all y'all. 1 Peter 3
Now, Jesus was to fulfill all law of Moses, and get water Baptized by John to fulfill all Law as in Matthew 5:17 states he came here to earth to do first. Then did it and said has done it in John 19:30, and 2 Cor 5:17-20.
Psalm 103:12 is today filled in the Messiah, Jesus, Emmanuelle. God now ready to give you and anyone else in belief too, a new Heart as described in Ezekiel 36:26. No more have to do to get, this is a gift from God Father and Son as Won for you and all others too, thank you love all is the call, even those that have done you wrong, wow! what a call. How can I, you or anyone else love those that have done you, me and others wrong? By this amazing grace given to all through Son's done work on that cross for us all first. How it is now seen and done for me too, God reveals it, not anyone else. We that are born new by God, only share in care to all, thank you, at least me I can only love all as Jesus said in Matthew about if another does wrong to you, love that one still. In the old, first testament, it was said an eye for an eye
No more, today, Romans 2:1-4, as soon as Is think accuse or stand against anyone I remember what God has said to me in Romans 2:1-4

Those who wish to have the NT rebirth become a reality must believe and obey God's word.
See: Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

 

[homwardbound]

Those who wish to have the NT rebirth become a reality must believe and obey God's word.
See: Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16.

To have to do, makes the free choice to choose not a choice. Then freedom is lost inside the new birth as a gift
Freedom without God's lead in one, anyone is anarchy
Freedom taken away after belief is tyranny
I am free to choose, I chose God over everything else, between God Fasther, risen Son and me. Thank you, hoping for all to make their free choice given them as well
Ask, receive and see and be new in love and mercy to all, thank you, I see many are new and many on their way. I am still learning g and am not perfect, only my Father is good

 

[Wansvic]

So, sorry, I agree with water baptism as a good conscience towards God. Not to be one rewarded by people in any Church building or in society either

God did on the cross willingly, not by having to, by choosing to, it was for us all the people to get reconciled first as if never sinned to begin with (Col 1:21-23), That got done on that cross in Son's shed blood for us all, done once Hebrews 10:10, to be given the message of reconciliation as stated in (2 Cor 5:16-20) from the disciples to us all. and see new from Father when he, Jesus said it is finished, John 19:30 he meant it and is now done for us to be new in his resurrected life now in the present given for ever in love and mercy to all,, even those that do not believe.
If, I do not love people, all that I see, even those that have done me wrong, how can one anyone, even if water Baptized say they love God?

I think you are missing something very important. It was after Jesus resurrected that He said remission of sin was going to be preached in His name. (Luke 24:47) And it was at Pentecost that the NT water baptism was begun. All those who believe in Jesus' sacrifice are to be water baptized in His name. (Acts 2:38) The Apostle Paul revealed those who obey the command are buried with Jesus into His death wherein sin is remitted. The apostle even clarifies that IF a person is baptized in the likeness of Jesus death, they WILL BE in the likeness of His resurrection. (Rom. 6:3-6) One final note: Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sins calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16) And He was still water baptizing people in the name of Jesus over 20 years after the command was first given. (Acts 19:1-7)

Don't be fooled. Water baptism is for remission of sin. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for all those who will believe and obey God's command.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, the Gentiles who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[homwardbound]

I think you are missing something very important. It was after Jesus resurrected that He said remission of sin was going to be preached in His name. (Luke 24:47) And it was at Pentecost that the NT water baptism was begun. All those who believe in Jesus' sacrifice are to be water baptized in His name. (Acts 2:38) The Apostle Paul revealed those who obey the command are buried with Jesus into His death wherein sin is remitted. The apostle even clarifies that IF a person is baptized in the likeness of Jesus death, they WILL BE in the likeness of His resurrection. (Rom. 6:3-6) One final note: Paul was told to be baptized to wash away his sins calling on the name of the Lord. (Acts 22:16) And He was still water baptizing people in the name of Jesus over 20 years after the command was first given. (Acts 19:1-7)

Don't be fooled. Water baptism is for remission of sin. Jesus' sacrifice made it possible for all those who will believe and obey God's command.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Even after being filled with the Holy Ghost, the Gentiles who believed in Jesus had to be water baptized in His name. Why? Because God established water baptism for remission of sin.
Acts 10:43
To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Acts 10:47-48
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

You, are not hearing me. I am water Baptized in Father and Son. As the symbol of being Spirit Baptized in / with Father and Son. That is done for me by them, doing it. Son as the reconciliation, for all sin as in 2 Cor 5:16-20. Many, know Jesus in Spirit and Truth given to us by Father from the willing choice each person takes to Father, we, at least me am not under Law anymore. Romans7 explains what being under Law does to people. Only Father reveals the truth in that and continues to love us all, even though we trying to do what no one else can do, that is proven in the Old (First) Testament to me.
Thanking God, for the for purge of my conscience of sin as in Hebrews 10. Wow, and in Hebrews 8, I will not remember your sin anymore, that kid from God to us all to see new in love and mercy given us all from God through Son.
Yet people have to do to get, (that be this world's teachings) when from Daddy, PaPa, Father, this new life is a gift. To take a gift and make work out of it is a lie from Evil, getting people to be do-gooders and others look at them and say wow, I want to be like you, is not from God the Father of the risen Son for us all to see and be new in trust to God in risen Son. Eph 2, reveals the new, which you do not see yet, and bless you anyway, you in with God, on your way. God, loving us all still, God having nothing can separate anyone from this love of God to us all, Romans 8, No thank you, I do not care to be like anyone else. I am not perfect, only by God's done work of Son, am I made perfect from God in God's sight. That is what amazing grace is and for us all to see this each personally, between God and them. Those that do not quit belief will eventually see and stop demanding new Laws onto people, and will do laws by upholding Law as good to work truth through them and in Romans 3:31
God alone and to myself or anyone else, love from Father to all in risen Son, where the new life is at Upholding Law as good and doing truth in the Law that is perfect, loving all
Not a few

 

[Ouch]

You, are not hearing me. I am water Baptized in Father and Son. As the symbol of being Spirit Baptized in / with Father and Son. That is done for me by them, doing it. Son as the reconciliation, for all sin as in 2 Cor 5:16-20. Many, know Jesus in Spirit and Truth given to us by Father from the willing choice each person takes to Father, we, at least me am not under Law anymore. Romans7 explains what being under Law does to people. Only Father reveals the truth in that and continues to love us all, even though we trying to do what no one else can do, that is proven in the Old (First) Testament to me.
Thanking God, for the for purge of my conscience of sin as in Hebrews 10. Wow, and in Hebrews 8, I will not remember your sin anymore, that kid from God to us all to see new in love and mercy given us all from God through Son.
Yet people have to do to get, (that be this world's teachings) when from Daddy, PaPa, Father, this new life is a gift. To take a gift and make work out of it is a lie from Evil, getting people to be do-gooders and others look at them and say wow, I want to be like you, is not from God the Father of the risen Son for us all to see and be new in trust to God in risen Son. Eph 2, reveals the new, which you do not see yet, and bless you anyway, you in with God, on your way. God, loving us all still, God having nothing can separate anyone from this love of God to us all, Romans 8, No thank you, I do not care to be like anyone else. I am not perfect, only by God's done work of Son, am I made perfect from God in God's sight. That is what amazing grace is and for us all to see this each personally, between God and them. Those that do not quit belief will eventually see and stop demanding new Laws onto people, and will do laws by upholding Law as good to work truth through them and in Romans 3:31
God alone and to myself or anyone else, love from Father to all in risen Son, where the new life is at Upholding Law as good and doing truth in the Law that is perfect, loving all
Not a few

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

 

[Blain]

Please don't be offended, I don't understand all you are saying. May be me?

Just to keep it simple, have you been baptized in JESUS name to get rid of your sins?

Looks like you got baptized in HIS titles which is not bible.

Or are you saying you don't need to be baptized?

Being baptized for sins is one thing, receiving the Holy Ghost is a total different thing.

We are responsible for being baptized, JESUS is responsible to fill us with his spirit.

Yes Jesus said you must be born of both water and spirit and there is aa difference between the two