Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143 said:
False dichotomy. If you owe a debt and I pay it, you received the benefit having done nothing. This is at the heart of grace. What choice did you make when God caused the sun to shine today?
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You have built in the assumption that the person has not agreed, along with conflating of course.
 
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HeIsHere said:
You have built in the assumption that the person has not agreed, along with conflating of course.
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The person wasn't part of the equation. That's how grace works. Still didn't answer the question: what choice did you make when God provided sunshine today?
 
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Cameron143 said:
False dichotomy. If you owe a debt and I pay it, you received the benefit having done nothing.
This is at the heart of grace. What choice did you make when God caused the sun to shine today?
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Ah, dear Cameron, the rub is that you must choose to believe that the sun is shining.
The fact that is it and God made it so is not enough for these Pelagian heretics.
 
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Cameron143 said:
what choice did you make when God provided sunshine today?
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Skin lotion with protection, sunglasses, floppy hat, shorts, tank top, Crocs flip flops, couple bottles of ice cold water and a Popsicle :cool:
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Not to partake of it just as some do with His Son who was also provided for the benefit of all.
 
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By His Grace, the sun is always shining, and you'll get a double dose of it the closer you get to it.
 
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studier said:
Not to partake of it just as some do with His Son who was also provided for the benefit of all.
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You received benefit you didn't strive for or choose. Plants grew today. You ate. All due to the grace of God. He is the fount of every blessing, and every good and perfect gift has come down from the Father.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Man's will isn't restored. Man's heart and mind are restored.
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FWIW, it seems clearly that you originally said man's will would be restored.

Cameron143 said:
Choosing God is not spoken of in the Bible concerning salvation. Receiving from God is.
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That's (first sentence) a bold and absolute statement. Can you back it up?

You see no volition of men involved in actively receiving vs. rejecting God's grace for example?
 
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studier said:
FWIW, it seems clearly that you originally said man's will would be restored.



That's (first sentence) a bold and absolute statement. Can you back it up?

You see no volition of men involved in actively receiving vs. rejecting God's grace for example?
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You don't understand grace. It is not conditional.
And show me from scripture where it states that someone should choose God as a means of salvation.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You received benefit you didn't strive for or choose. Plants grew today. You ate. All due to the grace of God. He is the fount of every blessing, and every good and perfect gift has come down from the Father.
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Agree with the last sentence.

Need to qualify your intention with the next to last.

Third must be modified to say I ate when I chose to eat and actively ate.

Second, I reasonably assume is true.

Disagree with the first. I in fact did chose and did not reject what God graciously provided and the benefits therefrom. As for 'strive" I guess we'd have to discuss our Lord's lesson of the wide and narrow gates and then the instructions and even command re: striving for things in Christ in Spirit.
 
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Cameron143 said:
You received benefit you didn't strive for or choose. Plants grew today. You ate. All due to the grace of God. He is the fount of every blessing, and every good and perfect gift has come down from the Father.
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So then everyone is saved, Awesome!!
 
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