Understanding God’s election

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studier

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It is you who mischaracterizes what I have written! I have never said man's faith is efficacious
I'm stopping here. You're misunderstanding or making up things to argue about again. Like you did with @GWH about infancy which you turned into birth so you could argue. No interest today.
 

decipher

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Aside from the insults, you did not answer my question. God desires us to prayer. He has instructed us to pray. Prayer matters to God. God's heart is reachable, touchable with our prayers. Our prayers can cause God to move on our behalf, move in ways that left to their own, would have never happened, but because we prayed, God made a way.
Isaiah 63:9-10 describes the Holy Spirit as the "angel of His presence". Angel because the Holy Spirit can be sent, and where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. God the Father is the invisible God that has all of those Godly attributes because our reality is in His mind. Time occurs in a dormant vacuum of space when an event happens which causes the existence of before, during, and after the event. In the Father's mind, which is our reality, He places a living, thinking, feeling, willful being in it and calls him His Son. The Father fills His Son with His Holy Spirit which is a method for the Father to indwell His Son's being in order to communicate His will and empower to fulfill it. The Father's Holy Spirit is a portal through which the Father can enter the being indwelled. The Father loves the Son and created our reality through His Son and for His Son. The Son is one with the Father because the Father resides in the Son and the Son, because of his love for the Father, obeys the Father and lives to do the Father's will. When Jesus went back to the Father to get glorified, he received a spiritual body made up of saved souls who he baptizes with the Father's Holy Spirit. Through this portal both Father and Son can indwell the being in order to influence his thoughts, motivation, and actions. You don't stop your existence in order to say a prayer in isolation. You communicate with God the Father directly through the Holy Spirit who Jesus baptizes us with. Eph 2: 18 "For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father." A true Christian is in constant communication with the Father and Son through the portal called the Holy Spirit.
 

rogerg

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But since you won't be able to come up with another option, then the only logical inference to the Pelagian, Arminian or FWT heresies (whatever floats your boat) must be man's faculty of volition since man's will is the ultimate, final, authoritative and, therefore, efficacious arbiter and determinant of a sinner's eternal destiny.
And thereby, is God reduced to a dutiful servant whose purpose is the satisfying of the choices and desires of man, placing man over God.
 

Rufus

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And thereby, is God reduced to a dutiful servant whose purpose is the satisfying of the choices and desires of man, placing man over God.
Exactly! FWers believe that mankind is the locus of the universe and that God created us so that He could serve us -- equally, fairly and equitably! :rolleyes:
 

Rufus

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I'm stopping here. You're misunderstanding or making up things to argue about again. Like you did with @GWH about infancy which you turned into birth so you could argue. No interest today.
You made the smart decision. It's wise to quit and pick up the very few poker chips you have left and run off into obscurity with something in your pocket. Beats bankruptcy. Just like the Synergism of FWT cannot pass the scrutiny of God's Holy Word, neither can you. I know how you despise those sovereignty verses. I get it.

BUT...maybe some GWH type of this world will come along and rescue you and pull your bacon out of the fire.... :LOL: Maybe our wanna-be bible scholar himself will explain to us why man's ways are NOT and cannot be in himself. After all...there must be a reason (I suspect) for why sinners have the dubious honor of being referred to as the LOST throughout the bible! Maybe he'll tell us why sinners have been labeled as such...and what exactly it is that they have LOST!