Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

[Richie_2uk]

Ok here is a list of foods we can and can't eat. If God don't want us to eat certain foods that He Hates? then why are we selling these certain foods in food markets and retail?

Deuteronomy 14: 3-21.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Don’t eat anything the Lord hates. [SUP]
4 [/SUP]Here are the only animals you can eat. You can eat oxen, sheep, goats, [SUP]
5 [/SUP]deer, gazelles, roe deer, wild goats, ibexes, antelope and mountain sheep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You can eat any animal that has hoofs that are separated completely in two. But it must also chew the cud.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Some animals only chew the cud. Others only have hoofs that are completely separated in two. The camel, rabbit and rock badger chew the cud, but they don’t have hoofs that are completely separated. So you can’t eat them. They are not “clean” for you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Pigs aren’t “clean” for you either. They have hoofs that are completely separated, but they don’t chew the cud. So don’t eat their meat. And don’t touch their dead bodies.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Many creatures live in water. You can eat all of the ones that have fins and scales. [SUP]
10 [/SUP]But don’t eat anything that doesn’t have fins and scales. It isn’t “clean” for you.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]You can eat any “clean” bird. [SUP]
12 [/SUP]But there are many birds you can’t eat. They include eagles, vultures, and black vultures. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]They include red kites, black kites and all kinds of falcons. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]They include all kinds of ravens. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]They include horned owls, screech owls, gulls and all kinds of hawks. [SUP]
16 [/SUP]They include little owls, great owls, white owls [SUP]
17 [/SUP]and desert owls. They include ospreys and cormorants. [SUP]
18 [/SUP]They include storks and all kinds of herons. They also include hoopoes and bats.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]All insects that fly together in groups are “unclean” for you. So don’t eat them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you can eat any creature that has wings and is “clean.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]If you find something that’s already dead, don’t eat it. You can give it to an outsider who is living in any of your towns. He can eat it. Or you can sell it to someone who is from another country. But you are a holy nation. The Lord your God has set you apart for himself.


Don’t cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.

 

[phil112]

Richie, my friend, welcome to the new covenant.

And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [SUP] [/SUP]But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP] [/SUP]And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

 

[Richie_2uk]

Richie, my friend, welcome to the new covenant.

Scripture?

 

[Richie_2uk]

Richie, my friend, welcome to the new covenant.

Hey phil112. Were that scripture taken from? and plus, why do we need to ask God to bless our food, if its cleaned already? Thank him yes, but why ask God to bless if its cleansed already?

 

[jkalyna]

Good topic, better than food sometimes.
When I was growing up in high school I was so skinny
people were praying for me.
I don't think I watched commercials and all those restaurants and cooking things how to make stuff to eat,
but
I seem to go to a extreme, now, either I don't eat for a couple of weeks, or I eat in a week what I should have in 2 weeks.
Prayer time.
Jesus need stuff to happen
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[nathan3]

( Deuteronomy 14: 3-21. ) These are health laws that prevents people from getting seriously ill.

God hates people eating swine, its like smoke in His nose ( Isaiah 65:1-5 ), among other things.

Consider, pigs don't have sweat glands, so whatever poisons they eat, get trapped in their fat and skin.

I'm not sure 100% what the cooking the baby cow, in it's mothers milk means.

I think it means that it's a type of insult, or disrespect to the mother, to do that with milk from the same cow .

Today, milk we get in the store and the meat, your most likely never going to get the milk from the same cow you but meat from.
And I don't know of what recipes call for milk and meat anyway.

Here's other notes to read :
Exodus 23:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

the LORD. Heb Jehovah. Ap 4
God. Heb Elohim. Ap 4

mother's : i.e. in the milk of its dam. Repeated, Exodus 34:26 and Deut. 14:21 . For similar consideration compare Deut 22:6 ;
Lev 22:28.

I follow these heath laws as a Christian. I don't eat pig, or any of the animals listed.

 

[jkalyna]

OInk oink, I don't eat pork, sorry if you do, it's ok with me, BUT i like pepperoni on pizza, let's pig out, NOW!!! jk, no way, My favoirte food is water. I pretend I eat it, and it goes down smooth, like silk, down my throat nice n cool, yeah,,,,,

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Well firstly consider the keyword here in all this: "Clean"

Keep in mind the context of the very ancient world too. Even if you are an atheist, if you can imagine yourself back in that time and those conditions; does it not make logical sense to not eat all the animals described above as a simple matter of sanitation and health? For example all the birds that are deemed unclean are birds of prey or scavengers. Thus they are literally unclean and to eat of their meat, especially back in those times, makes you susceptible to disease. The hare and pig are notorious for being coprophages (literally they eat crap) thus it is very logical not to eat them back in that time, and even perhaps still today. Naturally eating an animal that has all ready been dead and torn by other animals is very unclean by any standard of cleanliness, biblical or not.

It should also be noted that elsewhere within the Mosaic Law it does say that if you are in dire straits you may eat an unclean thing to stay alive, but that you should atone for it once you are back on your feet.

To answer your question on why certain unclean foods are sold in supermarkets, that's a matter of culture of course (and another reason why in the Mosaic Law much of the foods you listed were forbidden was because the pagan cultures ate them and sacrificed them to their idols.) It has always been pretty normal in European culture for instance to eat pigs. Likewise in Japanese culture it is normal for them to eat squid, shellfish, and other sea food that would not be considerred clean animals in the Mosaic Law.

I always found it to be quite curious that much of the foods Moses forbade are in fact still to this day even in a secular viewpoint, less healthy (ie: shellfish are high in cholesterol and sodium) than the so-called clean animals (ie: fresh fish is very healthy for brain growth and many island cultures that have a diet mostly of fish tend to have longer lifespans.) Of course that is also granting for the fact the animal was taken from a clean environment, slaughtered in a sanitary manner, and packaged in a sanitary manner.

Definantly an interesting topic to explore either way no doubt.

 

[john832]

Exo 23:19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Adam Clarke does a good job with this...

Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk - This passage has greatly perplexed commentators; but Dr. Cudworth is supposed to have given it its true meaning by quoting a MS. comment of a Karaite Jew, which he met with, on this passage. “It was a custom of the ancient heathens, when they had gathered in all their fruits, to take a kid and boil it in the milk of its dam; and then, in a magical way, to go about and besprinkle with it all their trees and fields, gardens and orchards; thinking by these means to make them fruitful, that they might bring forth more abundantly in the following year.” - Cudworth on the Lord’s Supper, 4th.
I give this comment as I find it, and add that Spenser has shown that the Zabii used this kind of magical milk to sprinkle their trees and fields, in order to make them fruitful. Others understand it of eating flesh and milk together; others of a lamb or a kid while it is sucking its mother, and that the paschal lamb is here intended, which it was not lawful to offer while sucking.
After all the learned labor which critics have bestowed on this passage, and by which the obscurity in some cases is become more intense, the simple object of the precept seems to be this: “Thou shalt do nothing that may have any tendency to blunt thy moral feelings, or teach thee hardness of heart.” Even human nature shudders at the thought of causing the mother to lend her milk to seethe the flesh of her young one! We need go no farther for the delicate, tender, humane, and impressive meaning of this precept.

Having read that, apply this...

Deu 12:28 Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the sight of the LORD thy God.
Deu 12:29 When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

And apply it to the magical milk.

 

[john832]

As far as Peter's vision goes...

Act 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
Act 10:11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Act 10:12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
Act 10:15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 10:16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

And Peter rushed right down stairs and ordered up a lobster dinner with a shrimp cocktail for an appetizer. No, he didn't do that?

Here is what his reaction was...

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Peter didn't just jump on this and say whoopee, I can eat whatever crawls, slithers or slimes it's way across my plate, he doubted what the vision could mean. Most of us can not really understand how detestable unclean foods were to the Jews of that day. God used this VISION to graphically portray how Jews viewed Gentiles and to teach the lesson that Gentiles could come into the church...

Act 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Act 10:26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
Act 10:27 And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

The vision was done three times...

Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Notice first of all, Peter is still thinking about the vision. He didn't jump to a conclusion. Anyhoo, vision three times and three men.

Moral of the story...

Act 11:4 But Peter rehearsed the matter from the beginning, and expounded it by order unto them, saying,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.

Pease notice the symbolism here.

Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

This was as shocking a revelation as could have been imagined in that time.

 

[crossnote]

Mark 7:18-19 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)

 

[Richie_2uk]

Thanks. Nice to see people respond with different views. thanks

 

[RedTent]

The entire bible uses temporal events and things to explain the spiritual to us. People who are blind to the Lord can see only the temporal in anything of our world. For instance, they read history without any awareness of how God is acting in our history.

It is the same with eating pork, or for that matter everything God tells us of. There is spiritual symbolism that it is to teach us. Scripture tells us that God doesn't note what goes in our stomach and out again, it is what goes in our heart and mind.

The basic behind all the food laws is to not take in garbage. If you follow this to even going by what the Talmud says about the way to do it so you are that extreme, and then read some of our current fiction, what you put in your mouth is not looked at by God, it is what you do spiritually that God sees.

Scripture says to be careful of what goes in your mouth. After Christ, we are told we are to keep this in the spiritual way with the physical food we eat not that important. I find that by ignoring the physical that God says to do, I sometimes forget the spiritual commandment so I use the spiritual to remind myself and discipline myself about my TV, movies, and thoughts.

There are instructions in scripture against using the physical symbols of God's commands as the complete obedience to the spiritual, but there are no commands that say you may not use any help God suggested.

 

[nathan3]

As far as Peter's vision, it doesn't contradict the health laws.

The vision was about making sure Peter, did not consider or call people common or unclean ; the gentiles ( the subject of the vision ) who through Christ, all are clean etc.

Peter's lesson learned could be summed up with what he said after : "God is not a respecter of persons ( read full quote ) ".



1 Timothy 4:4 also confuses some, because they kind over look this one phrase here " made to be received " .There are also things made " not to be received " as the health laws stated.

Those things made to be received would be those things outlined in God's laws.

 

[john832]

Sorry the previous post was long winded, I'll try to keep this one a little shorter. Anyhoo, notice there is not one word between Peter and anyone else about dietary habits, it is about teh Gentiles being called.

So what about clean and unclean? The dietary laws were in effect and there is nothing in the New Testament that contravenes them. In fact, the Apostle Paul reaffirms them in some instruction to a young evangelist...

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Most often verse 4 is quoted saying "Looky see! Anything and everything is food!" Verse 5 is seldom read and if it is, the first part of it is skipped right over...

"For it is sanctified by the word of God"

Sanctified means set apart. Now where can we find meats that are set apart?

Lev 11:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Deu 14:3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.

Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14 set apart what can and cannot be eaten. Is God irrational and hung up on ritual? Or does the One who designed and created the human body have some idea about what to put into it and what not to? I gotta go with door number two here.

 

[john832]

Mark 7:18-19 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)

Let's read the part you skipped...

Mar 7:1 Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

First of all, we are not even discussing meat here, we are talking about bread. The word used for bread here is...

G740
ἄρτος
artos
ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.


Mar 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Here is the crux of the matter, the TRADITION of washing their hands in a special way.

Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables.
Mar 7:5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

The question was not why don't they walk in the Law but why don't they walk in the TRADITION of the elders?

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

These are NOT God's Laws, these were the doctrines and commandments of men.

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Whose Law had they layed aside and whose tradition were they keeping?

Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Speaks for itself here.

Mar 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mar 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
Mar 7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Mar 7:14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
Mar 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Now the subject is eating BREAD not meat and eating it without a man made tradition of washing your hands in a certain way. Christ is teaching here that eating without following these traditons of men cannot defile a man. The bile that these Pharisees and scribes spewed is what defiled them.

 

[crossnote]

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Means by the word of God as..

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)

and prayer...giving thanks.

Has nothing to do with Jewish ordinances in Leviticus.
The Levitical priesthood and it's rites no longer apply.

Hebrews 7:11-12 So if perfection had in fact been possible through the Levitical priesthood – for on that basis the people received the law – what further need would there have been for another priest to arise, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in Aaron’s order?
For when the priesthood changes, a change in the law must come as well.

 

[RedTent]

Mark 7:18-19 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)

You are adding your interpretation of this scripture to say it means "all foods are clean". You would have to ignore lots of scripture to add that interpretation.

When Jews said that gentiles were unclean, God gave a dream that explained that Paul was not to consider them unclean, and he used unclean food to make the point. Scripture goes on to explain that it wasn't about the food, it was about the gentiles. We would have to ignore the explanation of this that is scripture in order to say that all scripture saying food from animals who ate unclean things did not symbolize of unclean thoughts.

New Testament scripture was directed to a time when the teaching most needed was not to make actions without understanding the spirit and truth those actions were to result from the focus of our God. When this is taken to the other extreme as we are doing that spirit and truth and actions are completely separate, we are making an untruth also. We will be judged by what we do.

 

[nathan3]

I would go about it more plainly John823. It's a spiritual teaching. being defiled in a spiritual sense, should be the emphasis . And your right for pointing out, it was the traditions of the Pharisees being which where involved in the discussion ( Mark 7 ) , which had nothing to do with the law of God ( health laws ).

 

[The_highwayman]

( Deuteronomy 14: 3-21. ) These are health laws that prevents people from getting seriously ill.

God hates people eating swine, its like smoke in His nose ( Isaiah 65:1-5 ), among other things.

Consider, pigs don't have sweat glands, so whatever poisons they eat, get trapped in their fat and skin.

I'm not sure 100% what the cooking the baby cow, in it's mothers milk means.

I think it means that it's a type of insult, or disrespect to the mother, to do that with milk from the same cow .

Today, milk we get in the store and the meat, your most likely never going to get the milk from the same cow you but meat from.
And I don't know of what recipes call for milk and meat anyway.

Here's other notes to read :
Exodus 23:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

the LORD. Heb Jehovah. Ap 4
God. Heb Elohim. Ap 4

mother's : i.e. in the milk of its dam. Repeated, Exodus 34:26 and Deut. 14:21 . For similar consideration compare Deut 22:6 ;
Lev 22:28.

I follow these heath laws as a Christian. I don't eat pig, or any of the animals listed.

I get why you do it, but it has to be stated it is not mandatory that you do or don't, or a sin if you do or don't.

I do agree that you will be in much better condition by following it.

This is why understanding the Biblical covenants and understanding they are for today is important and not get all up in arms over the dietary laws or allow yourself to be deluded by replacement theology.

So I have to ask, why follow only the Mosaic dietary laws? why not the Edenic diet, which pre-dates the Mosaic laws