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Ultimatum77

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eternally-gratefull said:

Please. You said with all due respect. So please give me and my brothers who were killed in that war some respect.

I lived it, I watched very closely. I was about to go to war. (I am currently medically retired because of the way) I saw what President bush said, I saw what Saddam Hussein did, I saw president bush give Saddam the ultimatum, And I saw iraq give him the finger..

Bush may have fought the war wrong,, and made some mistakes we are paying for even today..

But he did not go to war for the reason these left wing anti - bush fanatics ant you to believe

He did not go for Oil, He did not take down the world trade center He did not go for WMD's (Without reason)

Bish said, If you do not let the UN inspetors in, and give them unfettered access to all areas. WE WILL USE MILITARY FORCE.

I watched him say it,

He did not let them in, and after a few weeks BUSH BACKED HIS WORDS..

I give him respect for that.. We have not had a president since that would do that..
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I do respect you as a military man, but if you look into things past rep/democrat and search the internet ...(just set aside your doubts for a couple minutes and with an open mind) search on these topics i mentioned

Did you know prescott bush funded the nazis in ww2? it is a fact not a "theory"....
Please read this article with an open mind....set aside your political/information views and just read this....even if you disagree that's fine but it may make you question some things like I did when I became aware so to speak...

The Bush Dynasty of Death |

The truth is out there you just have to find it... (on the web)
 
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Ultimatum77 said:
I do respect you as a military man, but if you look into things past rep/democrat and search the internet ...(just set aside your doubts for a couple minutes and with an open mind) search on these topics i mentioned

Did you know prescott bush funded the nazis in ww2? it is a fact not a "theory"....
Please read this article with an open mind....set aside your political/information views and just read this....even if you disagree that's fine but it may make you question some things like I did when I became aware so to speak...

The Bush Dynasty of Death |

The truth is out there you just have to find it... (on the web)
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I realize its a long article so skip to the section about georgewalker bush
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ultimatum77 said:
I do respect you as a military man, but if you look into things past rep/democrat and search the internet ...(just set aside your doubts for a couple minutes and with an open mind) search on these topics i mentioned

Did you know prescott bush funded the nazis in ww2? it is a fact not a "theory"....
Please read this article with an open mind....set aside your political/information views and just read this....even if you disagree that's fine but it may make you question some things like I did when I became aware so to speak...

The Bush Dynasty of Death |

The truth is out there you just have to find it... (on the web)
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet
That is where conspiracy theories come from.

If Saddam had let the UN inspectors do what they were ordered to do. We never would have went to war with Iraq.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The world does not respect the US not because of the GW Bushes and Ronald Reagons. Then men scared the world. (thats how we won the cold war) Because when they said they were going to do something, they did it.

The Clinton and Obama's of the world is why we have no respect.

They threaten you, then do not back your words.

Give be a bush or Reagan any day.. At least when they send mens in harms way, Or says they are going to do something, they are men of their word.
 
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The bushes was owned by the same corporate clowns that control the Republican party now...looking back its easy to see they are as responsible for the sell-out of the American people as the Dems.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
The world does not respect the US not because of the GW Bushes and Ronald Reagons. Then men scared the world. (thats how we won the cold war) Because when they said they were going to do something, they did it.

The Clinton and Obama's of the world is why we have no respect.

They threaten you, then do not back your words.

Give be a bush or Reagan any day.. At least when they send mens in harms way, Or says they are going to do something, they are men of their word.
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We'll just agree to disagree, I found that not everything on the internet is true but 95% of what the MSM tells people is complete bs...the alternative news on the web "dubbed conspiracy theorists" at least speak the truth about 80% of the time....while the clowns on CNN say the economy is fine and unemployment is low...it's complete bs...
the stock market is down 2300 pts since december and real unemployment (not cooked up numbers) is around 30 percent or more...not the magic number of 4.9% which is ridiculous....that is one example of the way the MSM lies....so I'll stick with the internet 80>5% which says the economy is on the brink of collapse and unemployment rate is at an all time high...but I'll stop there for now....like I said we'll agree to disagree and just be fellow brothers in Christ! :)
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

why did they find nothing?

becaus ehe had nothing, or we gave him time to get rid of them (most people KNOW he sent them all to Syria before we went in, We even have satellite photoes of the trucks he used to do so)

Where did Saddam get the WMD's to use against Iran, Where did he get them to use against his people which caused the us to enforce a no fly zone, because he murdered thousands of his people with nerve gas.

If bush was allowed to go in when he wanted, they would have found these wmds, We because we are weak at heart, gave Saddam weeks to move them all

again, I WAS THERE.. please respect that!
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They didn't find any because there weren't any. The claim that Saddam transferred chemical weapons to Bashar has actually never been proven or substantiated.

No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News

It's all conjecture there's still no proof and they jump from one conspiracy theory after the other instead of just accepting the simple fact that we were lied to.

The No-Fly Zone was imposed after the Kuwait War, not the Iran-Iraq War and Al-Anfal genocide which came before.

Look, I don't blame you for the Iraq War, I don't blame the soldiers for the Iraq War. The blame is on Bush, for Bush is the one that lied to us all. I will never respect Bush or his wars which have cause deep problems for America and Christendom and which will still linger for as long as my generation walks the earth.
 
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Well, guys, maybe yall need a female perspective on this?;) To my knowledge GWB didn't go to war for any other purpose than what EG stated above. Frankly, I'm a bit tired of people advocating all kinds of internet lies. Saddam Hussein didn't believe GWB had the guts, but he was proven wrong. The war itself, though, was a bad idea in the first place, GWB shouldn't been making threats, but once he had he was beyond the point of no return.
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
They didn't find any because there weren't any. The claim that Saddam transferred chemical weapons to Bashar has actually never been proven or substantiated.

No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News

It's all conjecture there's still no proof and they jump from one conspiracy theory after the other instead of just accepting the simple fact that we were lied to.

The No-Fly Zone was imposed after the Kuwait War, not the Iran-Iraq War and Al-Anfal genocide which came before.

Look, I don't blame you for the Iraq War, I don't blame the soldiers for the Iraq War. The blame is on Bush, for Bush is the one that lied to us all. I will never respect Bush or his wars which have cause deep problems for America and Christendom and which will still linger for as long as my generation walks the earth.
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Same here brother, EG, I'm not blaming you as well, you were doing the job you were commanded to do...Bush is a guy I don't like because he has a history of criminality and took america from prosperity to debt. Obama just made some empty promises and made it worse...(BTW obama and bush are related but that's another topic)...since the turn of the century america has been decimated by leaders (pres, congress, senate and supreme court) who take bribes and do not care for the people only corporations. It is the ultimate betrayal and sell out....they are controlled by money...and he who controls the money makes the laws....
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ultimatum77 said:
We'll just agree to disagree, I found that not everything on the internet is true but 95% of what the MSM tells people is complete bs...the alternative news on the web "dubbed conspiracy theorists" at least speak the truth about 80% of the time....while the clowns on CNN say the economy is fine and unemployment is low...it's complete bs...
the stock market is down 2300 pts since december and real unemployment (not cooked up numbers) is around 30 percent or more...not the magic number of 4.9% which is ridiculous....that is one example of the way the MSM lies....so I'll stick with the internet 80>5% which says the economy is on the brink of collapse and unemployment rate is at an all time high...but I'll stop there for now....like I said we'll agree to disagree and just be fellow brothers in Christ! :)
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I find that trying to go to the internet to find what is true about something that happened almost 20 years ago. Is like telling a person who was in the Superbowl of 2001 to go look up this article to find out what happened in that Superbowl.

I also find that most people who write these conspiracy theories against Bush are biased, because they hate him, and they should not be trusted.

I have heard them all since 2001,, Thats why I stand up when I hear someone call bush a liar.. Because I am sick of people falsly accusing my commander in chief. based on biased, false information.

but, yes, we can agree to disagree,,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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GodIsSalvation said:
They didn't find any because there weren't any. The claim that Saddam transferred chemical weapons to Bashar has actually never been proven or substantiated.

No Basis For WMD Smuggling Claims - CBS News

It's all conjecture there's still no proof and they jump from one conspiracy theory after the other instead of just accepting the simple fact that we were lied to.

The No-Fly Zone was imposed after the Kuwait War, not the Iran-Iraq War and Al-Anfal genocide which came before.

Look, I don't blame you for the Iraq War, I don't blame the soldiers for the Iraq War. The blame is on Bush, for Bush is the one that lied to us all. I will never respect Bush or his wars which have cause deep problems for America and Christendom and which will still linger for as long as my generation walks the earth.
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cbs news, Yep there is a trustworthy source (SMH)

I should take there word over what I witnessed with my very eyes..

Sorry, You are young, You have had this nonsense shoved down your throat since you were a teenage, So I understand why you believe this crap.

But I was there.. Maybe that should mean something, maybe it should not.

But as I said.

You do not tell a person who was at the 200 superbowl to go read a newspaper report to see what happened. HE LIVED IT..

Bush and his wars did not cause problems, Liberals who tell lies about Bish cause problems. And people like Obama hillery and sadly the other two we will have to vote on will cause problems..

Bush had this country in good hands,, He was a man I could trust..

I cant say that for many people.

If Obama told Iran to do this or else he would attack, Iran would laugh in our face, because he has no backbone..

That is the only reason I may even trust trup. He speaks what he believes, If he backs it up and it is not just words, Maybe he will be ok.

If he is like the clintons the obamas and many others. He will be just as weak.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Ultimatum77 said:
Same here brother, EG, I'm not blaming you as well, you were doing the job you were commanded to do...Bush is a guy I don't like because he has a history of criminality and took america from prosperity to debt. Obama just made some empty promises and made it worse...(BTW obama and bush are related but that's another topic)...since the turn of the century america has been decimated by leaders (pres, congress, senate and supreme court) who take bribes and do not care for the people only corporations. It is the ultimate betrayal and sell out....they are controlled by money...and he who controls the money makes the laws....
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lol. Bush was handed debt,, The economy was collapsing under Clinton, Please stop. Your emberassing yourself.
 
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I will just say this, I would never go to my father and tell him what Ford, Carter or even Nixon did as president, I would be foolish, Because I would have was hear say of people

Lets not base our foundation of what a person did based on hear say..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

cbs news, Yep there is a trustworthy source (SMH)

I should take there word over what I witnessed with my very eyes..

Sorry, You are young, You have had this nonsense shoved down your throat since you were a teenage, So I understand why you believe this crap.

But I was there.. Maybe that should mean something, maybe it should not.

But as I said.

You do not tell a person who was at the 200 superbowl to go read a newspaper report to see what happened. HE LIVED IT..

Bush and his wars did not cause problems, Liberals who tell lies about Bish cause problems. And people like Obama hillery and sadly the other two we will have to vote on will cause problems..

Bush had this country in good hands,, He was a man I could trust..

I cant say that for many people.

If Obama told Iran to do this or else he would attack, Iran would laugh in our face, because he has no backbone..

That is the only reason I may even trust trup. He speaks what he believes, If he backs it up and it is not just words, Maybe he will be ok.

If he is like the clintons the obamas and many others. He will be just as weak.
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Firstly it was rather the lie that was shoved down our throats, and I admit I fell for it like many. Those WMDs never materialized. Proof of them still has never materialized. The CBS article is taken from a report by a special advisor to the head of the CIA.

Here's a basic summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group

Here's the actual report:
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/index.html

Bush messed up America, Obama made it worse. Bush lied, there is still no proof of WMDs in Iraq, they stopped looking for the WMDs in Iraq years ago because there were none, and again all the claims that there were have never been proven and are at best conjecture and speculation.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. Bush was handed debt,, The economy was collapsing under Clinton, Please stop. Your emberassing yourself.
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Yes I agree Clinton gave bush 5.8 trillion in debt....but look at their overall spending per year...bush way out did clinton each year...

US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent

But Bush totally collapsed the economy by allowing mortgages to go unchecked to low pay home owners, bailing big banks out and giving the bill to taxpayers, and two failed wars...wasting so much money and giving kickbacks to halliburton and goldman sachs...
He is the definition of a neo-con, spreading so called "democracy" with the underlying agenda of dominating other nations and stealing their resources for corporations...same thing obama is doing in syria...

Like GodisSalvation said, he is the biggest screw up 1a and obama a close 1b option in terms of destroying america economically and not to mention reputation wise in the world...jmo
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol. Bush was handed debt,, The economy was collapsing under Clinton, Please stop. Your emberassing yourself.
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Bush was handed a budget surplus and turned it into a massive deficit and increased the debt more than any president until Obama decided to take the absurdity to a whole other level.

US Budget Deficit History

Though I would not give Clinton full credit for the budget surplus, though fairly enough he did at least sign off on it. The credit goes to Kasich whom was the principle architect in the House of Representatives in pushing for economic sanity and put in the hard work to make it happen. Which is a big reason why Kasich is the most clear cut to beat Hillary as he can prevent her from resting upon Bill's laurels.
 
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Ultimatum77 said:
Yes I agree Clinton gave bush 5.8 trillion in debt....but look at their overall spending per year...bush way out did clinton each year...

US Debt by President: By Dollar and Percent

But Bush totally collapsed the economy by allowing mortgages to go unchecked to low pay home owners, bailing big banks out and giving the bill to taxpayers, and two failed wars...wasting so much money and giving kickbacks to halliburton and goldman sachs...
He is the definition of a neo-con, spreading so called "democracy" with the underlying agenda of dominating other nations and stealing their resources for corporations...same thing obama is doing in syria...

Like GodisSalvation said, he is the biggest screw up 1a and obama a close 1b option in terms of destroying america economically and not to mention reputation wise in the world...jmo
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I agree with this except that Obama is a bigger screw up than Bush or at least equal to him. Bush merely started the mess. Obama had the chance to turn it around and he did not. In fact he took everything bad that Bush did from the wars to the failing economy and did worse with it. Bush ran up the largest debt in history, and then Obama topped him for that record within his first term! Bush got us into two wars, and Obama still has us involved in Iraq and Afghanistan and has got us involved in Syria and Libya and funds and arms terrorists. Picking between the two of them is like picking between whether you'd prefer to shoot yourself in the right foot or the left foot.
 
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Come on EG, why dis us younger people for having a contrary opinion to you in another thread? without the web there is no freedom....as media is all owned by newscorp rupert murdoch....like he tells the truth....lol....

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sadly, for the younger generation, this is true, I am having the same conversation in the news forum with some 20 y/o's who think they know all about bush and what he did..


People have to stop relying in the world wide web,, It lies..

sadly, HRFTD and peterjens are not helping them any, they do the same thing, only with men who died centuries ago."
 
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GodIsSalvation said:
I agree with this except that Obama is a bigger screw up than Bush or at least equal to him. Bush merely started the mess. Obama had the chance to turn it around and he did not. In fact he took everything bad that Bush did from the wars to the failing economy and did worse with it. Bush ran up the largest debt in history, and then Obama topped him for that record within his first term! Bush got us into two wars, and Obama still has us involved in Iraq and Afghanistan and has got us involved in Syria and Libya and funds and arms terrorists. Picking between the two of them is like picking between whether you'd prefer to shoot yourself in the right foot or the left foot.
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nice analogy about the feet lol
 
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