Have the times of the gentiles ended in 1967?

[Follower777]

The thousand years is on earth my friend.

That belief of the millennium, "here on earth" is Catholic doctrine, where they will be, replacing Christ, here on Earth for those 1000 years. Which is the anti-Christ spirit's, understanding, rather than the Holy Spirit understanding.

Again literalizing Heaven, rather than understanding it Spiritually. ... very interesting ! The way Satan deceives, and sad ... = evil & eternally destructive.

Here are several Bible verses that highlight the key events of this period, such as Christ’s second coming, the reign of the saints with Christ, the judgment, and the final restoration of the earth.

1. Revelation 20:4-6 - This passage clearly describes the millennium as a time when the saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years, and during this time, the earth remains desolate. The saints are given authority to judge, and the wicked are not yet resurrected until the end of the 1,000 years.
   • “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge... They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended... they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6)
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - This passage explains that when Christ returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. This supports the idea that the saints are taken to heaven at Christ’s return to be with Him during the millennium.
   • “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
3. Revelation 21:1-2 - After the millennium, the earth is restored, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth. This signifies that the millennium is spent in heaven and concludes with the creation of a renewed earth for the redeemed to inhabit.
   • “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” (Revelation 21:1-2)
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan is released, and he deceives the nations once more, leading to the final battle against the saints. The judgment is completed, and the wicked are destroyed. This passage confirms that the millennium is a period of judgment, after which the final judgment of the wicked occurs.
   • “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations... They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:7-9)
5. Matthew 25:31-34 - In this passage, Jesus describes the final judgment, which occurs at His second coming. The righteous are welcomed into His kingdom, which ties in with the idea of the millennium beginning in heaven and concluding with the final establishment of God's kingdom.
   • “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another... Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.’” (Matthew 25:31-34)

These Bible references collectively support the belief that the millennium occurs in heaven, beginning with Christ’s second coming and culminating in the creation of a new earth.

 

[Follower777]

The thousand years is on earth my friend.

YouTube Video ~~> FINAL DAYS ...
Check it out ! Might be very enlightening ( Holy Spirit ) for you.

Blessed Sabbath Folks & Good Nite

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

YouTube Video ~~> FINAL DAYS ...
Check it out ! Might be very enlightening ( Holy Spirit ) for you.

Blessed Sabbath Folks & Good Nite

bleh. SDA propaganda

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

BTW .. Reading and understanding Bible prophecy, as well as "shadows & types", there is NO mention of national Israel—as an ethnic or political entity, during these end times, that will be restored to the land of Canaan or Palestine in fulfillment of prophecy. This belief is commonly held by some dispensationalist groups, but it is not support in a Holy Spirit indwelling understanding of scripture, as "Spiritual Israel" . Can't have it both ways ... The God's Holy Spirit DEMANDS walking ( understanding ) in the spirit rather than the flesh, ...

If you are Christ's, He will impart, imbue His Holy Spirit, Christ's Spirit, within you, being born again, in the Spirit, and you won't be LITERALIZING EVERYTHING, walking in the world, like Amos 8, etc, etc, etc, etc etc, etc. ..to your own destruction. Please pray for the Holy Spirit !!

How can you speak like this and not see that you are doing the same thing with the 4th commandment?

 

[Leastofall]

That belief of the millennium, "here on earth" is Catholic doctrine, where they will be, replacing Christ, here on Earth for those 1000 years. Which is the anti-Christ spirit's, understanding, rather than the Holy Spirit understanding.

Again literalizing Heaven, rather than understanding it Spiritually. ... very interesting ! The way Satan deceives, and sad ... = evil & eternally destructive.

Here are several Bible verses that highlight the key events of this period, such as Christ’s second coming, the reign of the saints with Christ, the judgment, and the final restoration of the earth.

1. Revelation 20:4-6 - This passage clearly describes the millennium as a time when the saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years, and during this time, the earth remains desolate. The saints are given authority to judge, and the wicked are not yet resurrected until the end of the 1,000 years.
   • “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge... They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended... they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6)
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - This passage explains that when Christ returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. This supports the idea that the saints are taken to heaven at Christ’s return to be with Him during the millennium.
   • “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
3. Revelation 21:1-2 - After the millennium, the earth is restored, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth. This signifies that the millennium is spent in heaven and concludes with the creation of a renewed earth for the redeemed to inhabit.
   • “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” (Revelation 21:1-2)
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan is released, and he deceives the nations once more, leading to the final battle against the saints. The judgment is completed, and the wicked are destroyed. This passage confirms that the millennium is a period of judgment, after which the final judgment of the wicked occurs.
   • “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations... They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:7-9)
5. Matthew 25:31-34 - In this passage, Jesus describes the final judgment, which occurs at His second coming. The righteous are welcomed into His kingdom, which ties in with the idea of the millennium beginning in heaven and concluding with the final establishment of God's kingdom.
   • “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another... Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.’” (Matthew 25:31-34)

These Bible references collectively support the belief that the millennium occurs in heaven, beginning with Christ’s second coming and culminating in the creation of a new earth.

What Bible do you read? Just wondering 🤔

 

[Leastofall]

How can you speak like this and not see that you are doing the same thing with the 4th commandment?

Wow never heard this concept . 777 has got alot of these things tilted.

 

[Komentaja]

That belief of the millennium, "here on earth" is Catholic doctrine, where they will be, replacing Christ, here on Earth for those 1000 years. Which is the anti-Christ spirit's, understanding, rather than the Holy Spirit understanding.

Again literalizing Heaven, rather than understanding it Spiritually. ... very interesting ! The way Satan deceives, and sad ... = evil & eternally destructive.

Here are several Bible verses that highlight the key events of this period, such as Christ’s second coming, the reign of the saints with Christ, the judgment, and the final restoration of the earth.

1. Revelation 20:4-6 - This passage clearly describes the millennium as a time when the saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years, and during this time, the earth remains desolate. The saints are given authority to judge, and the wicked are not yet resurrected until the end of the 1,000 years.
   • “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge... They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended... they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6)
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - This passage explains that when Christ returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. This supports the idea that the saints are taken to heaven at Christ’s return to be with Him during the millennium.
   • “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
3. Revelation 21:1-2 - After the millennium, the earth is restored, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth. This signifies that the millennium is spent in heaven and concludes with the creation of a renewed earth for the redeemed to inhabit.
   • “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” (Revelation 21:1-2)
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan is released, and he deceives the nations once more, leading to the final battle against the saints. The judgment is completed, and the wicked are destroyed. This passage confirms that the millennium is a period of judgment, after which the final judgment of the wicked occurs.
   • “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations... They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:7-9)
5. Matthew 25:31-34 - In this passage, Jesus describes the final judgment, which occurs at His second coming. The righteous are welcomed into His kingdom, which ties in with the idea of the millennium beginning in heaven and concluding with the final establishment of God's kingdom.
   • “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another... Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.’” (Matthew 25:31-34)

These Bible references collectively support the belief that the millennium occurs in heaven, beginning with Christ’s second coming and culminating in the creation of a new earth.

You do know that the catholic church is not premillennial? They reject the idea of a literal kingdom on earth. They are amillennial, meaning the millennium is now symbolically and the Church is ruling and reigning.

 

[Follower777]

bleh. SDA propaganda

How can you speak like this and not see that you are doing the same thing with the 4th commandment?

1. propaganda
   /prŏp″ə-găn′də/
   1. A congregation of cardinals, established in 1622, charged with the management of missions.
   2. The college of the Propaganda, instituted by Urban VIII. (1623-1644) to educate priests for missions in all parts of the world.
   3. Hence, any organization or plan for spreading a particular doctrine or a system of principles.

Seem to me, as a Jesus following Christian point of view, that you are following Catholic propaganda, ~~> "spiritualism" "state of the dead", "no Investigative Judgment " " Once Saved, Always Saved", "promoting disobedience to God", "Changing God's Sabbath, to a spurious sabbath", "The changing of God's 10 Commandments" ~~> 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

And Yes ! I believe, knowing Jesus, The Way that I do, that the SDA understanding (propaganda) of scripture, is closer to The Truth, Jesus, than any other religion on Earth.

Rev. 14:12, defines God's Church as, ~~>

• Rev 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints, (the church) here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
• Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman (church), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (the Church), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. ~~> "for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." Rev 19:10,

So reason me this, ... How can anyone consider themselves "The Church" that will be "raptured" at some later date, when they do not believe Jesus or keep His commandments, ( which Jesus says are the Father's same 10 Commandments ) as Jesus came to do the Will of the Father, and did it perfectly, to be our "Lamb of God" and to be The Example, of The Way, The Truth and The Life ?
"As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord" Joshua 24 Blessed Sabbath, Y'all

 

[Follower777]

How can you speak like this and not see that you are doing the same thing with the 4th commandment?

I'm not understanding what you are saying, about what I'm doing with the Sabbath,... So! ... being that today IS The Sabbath, let me expound on the purpose of the Sabbath and maybe you can restate you statement, using the below definitions ? Thanks !

1. A Memorial of Creation
The Sabbath was instituted by God at the end of the Creation week to remind humanity of His creative power. “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. It is His memorial of creation” . It calls attention to God's work in making the heavens and the earth and affirms His authority as Creator.

2. A Sign of Sanctification
The Sabbath is a “sign between Me and you…that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you” (Exodus 31:13). The Sabbath is to “distinguish the obedient from the disobedient,” and it “is a sign of our allegiance to God” . This sanctification is not merely ceremonial but an ongoing spiritual transformation.

3. A Day for Spiritual Communion and Rest
The Sabbath was given “to man as a day of rest and reflection” and to provide “opportunity for communion with his Maker.” It is a sacred time set aside for the refreshing of both body and soul . It lifts thoughts away from earthly pursuits and fixes them on eternal realities.

4. A Symbol of Redemption
There's a parallel between God’s creative power and His redemptive work. Just as God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh, He also re-creates the sinner into His image. Thus, the Sabbath serves as a symbol of both creation and redemption .

5. A Test of Loyalty
In the final conflict between good and evil, the Sabbath becomes a test of loyalty to God. “The Sabbath question will be the issue in the great final conflict,” and keeping the seventh-day Sabbath will distinguish God’s faithful remnant . ( The Church )

6. An Educational Tool
The Sabbath also serves to educate both adults and children in the knowledge of God’s law, character, and purpose. It is “a day of instruction” and “a means of grace” where the family can gather for worship and reflection .

7. A Safeguard for the Family and Society
The Sabbath observance is a way to unify families, preserve moral standards, and hold back the tide of secularism. Sabbath keeping promotes order, reverence, and peace in the home and church.

Happy Sabbath Blessings to ALL Y'all, ... Y'all

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I'm not understanding what you are saying, about what I'm doing with the Sabbath,... So! ... being that today IS The Sabbath, let me expound on the purpose of the Sabbath and maybe you can restate you statement, using the below definitions ? Thanks !

1. A Memorial of Creation
The Sabbath was instituted by God at the end of the Creation week to remind humanity of His creative power. “The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. It is His memorial of creation” . It calls attention to God's work in making the heavens and the earth and affirms His authority as Creator.

2. A Sign of Sanctification
The Sabbath is a “sign between Me and you…that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you” (Exodus 31:13). The Sabbath is to “distinguish the obedient from the disobedient,” and it “is a sign of our allegiance to God” . This sanctification is not merely ceremonial but an ongoing spiritual transformation.

3. A Day for Spiritual Communion and Rest
The Sabbath was given “to man as a day of rest and reflection” and to provide “opportunity for communion with his Maker.” It is a sacred time set aside for the refreshing of both body and soul . It lifts thoughts away from earthly pursuits and fixes them on eternal realities.

4. A Symbol of Redemption
There's a parallel between God’s creative power and His redemptive work. Just as God created the world in six days and rested on the seventh, He also re-creates the sinner into His image. Thus, the Sabbath serves as a symbol of both creation and redemption .

5. A Test of Loyalty
In the final conflict between good and evil, the Sabbath becomes a test of loyalty to God. “The Sabbath question will be the issue in the great final conflict,” and keeping the seventh-day Sabbath will distinguish God’s faithful remnant . ( The Church )

6. An Educational Tool
The Sabbath also serves to educate both adults and children in the knowledge of God’s law, character, and purpose. It is “a day of instruction” and “a means of grace” where the family can gather for worship and reflection .

7. A Safeguard for the Family and Society
The Sabbath observance is a way to unify families, preserve moral standards, and hold back the tide of secularism. Sabbath keeping promotes order, reverence, and peace in the home and church.

Happy Sabbath Blessings to ALL Y'all, ... Y'all

If you want to observe the sabbath, no problem. If you are like some of the others I've run into who insist not doing anything on Saturdays is a salvation issue, then that is a big problem. Christ fulfilled ALL of the law and it's righteous requirements are fulfilled when we walk in the spirit through faith. That includes the 4th commandment, the pupose of which was to know that God is the one santifying us. We have what Israel under the law did not have that enables us to know God is sanctifying us every moment of every day - the indwelling holy spirit.

 

[Follower777]

What Bible do you read? Just wondering 🤔

I use the KJV, NKJV mostly, Just found the AJKV which I like pretty much. The KJV is God's standard.
What's more important, are the Bible versions NOT to use... Which are the Catholic derived branch of Bibles, NIV .. etc
which are not based on the "received text". To test a Bible version, the first place I go to is Rev 14:12.

If it reads anything other than "and the faith of Jesus. ... Like the NIV and the Catholic corrupted bibles say, " ...The faith IN Jesus" .. then I don' t use them as authoritative versions. There is a "worldly" difference, between, the Faith of Jesus, and Faith in Jesus.
(One is our faith, while the other, is Jesus' Faith ) ... In context, these differences becomes salvational, which is just why the Roman church makes these changes ... to support their false doctrines.

Check it out yourself .. Do a word search, and you'll see the differences. ( eg. Rom 3:22. Gal 2:16. Gal 3:22 ) There are 100s & 100s of changes made by the RCC ( anti-Christ spirit ) to God's Word, making it difficult to understand The Truth, The Way, unto Eternal Life.

 

[Follower777]

If you want to observe the sabbath, no problem. If you are like some of the others I've run into who insist not doing anything on Saturdays is a salvation issue, then that is a big problem. Christ fulfilled ALL of the law and it's righteous requirements are fulfilled when we walk in the spirit through faith. That includes the 4th commandment, the pupose of which was to know that God is the one santifying us. We have what Israel under the law did not have that enables us to know God is sanctifying us every moment of every day - the indwelling holy spirit.

It's not about "not doing anything" on the Sabbath Holy, it's about what you do on the Sabbath, which is to give God, The Father authority & obeying His Will, as Jesus did. If you are not going to acknowledge the Father as, The Creator God, and give Him obedience, then you won't be His Child, and won't inherit eternity along with Jesus and the rest of the saints. ( =Salvation )
Sorry, that's just the Word >The Way, the Truth, to Life eternal.

You speak of "walking in the spirit" ... We are ALL given this choice.. of which spirit we are of, ... which spirit we walk in ... The Spirit of Able, in obedience, or the spirit of Cain, in disobedience. Which spirit do you think is The spirit of "rebellion"> anti-Christ, Lucifer, "lust of the flesh, lust of the eye and PRIDE of life", = disobedience, OR the Spirit of Christ and His Righteousness = His obedience to the Father, His "right doing" of the Will of the Father, being ALL that the Father has Will for us to do, commanded of us, as Jesus did.

Of course, God by His Grace, wants the indwelling of His Spirit, by faith, in us all, to repentance, sanctification, revival and reformation, ... restoration to justification and glorification, in Jesus, indwelling in us, presenting His Spirit of Righteousness.

Gal 2:19-20
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live to God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
( dead to the law, in obedience, in Jesus )
~~ If you are saying that you believe, "walking in a spirit of disobedience" will, lead you to being a "Child of God" ... Then I'll pray for you, ... that you become converted, to a newness of life, being born again, into God's Righteousness > Jesus ! Amen !

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It's not about "not doing anything" on the Sabbath Holy, it's about what you do on the Sabbath, which is to give God, The Father authority & obeying His Will, as Jesus did. If you are not going to acknowledge the Father as, The Creator God, and give Him obedience, then you won't be His Child, and won't inherit eternity along with Jesus and the rest of the saints. ( =Salvation )
Sorry, that's just the Word >The Way, the Truth, to Life eternal.

That's what we're supposed to do every day

 

[Follower777]

That's what we're supposed to do every day

YuP !! Gal 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
15 But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that you cannot do the things that you would.
18 But if you be led of the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

 

[Melach]

That belief of the millennium, "here on earth" is Catholic doctrine, where they will be, replacing Christ, here on Earth for those 1000 years. Which is the anti-Christ spirit's, understanding, rather than the Holy Spirit understanding.

Again literalizing Heaven, rather than understanding it Spiritually. ... very interesting ! The way Satan deceives, and sad ... = evil & eternally destructive.

Here are several Bible verses that highlight the key events of this period, such as Christ’s second coming, the reign of the saints with Christ, the judgment, and the final restoration of the earth.

1. Revelation 20:4-6 - This passage clearly describes the millennium as a time when the saints reign with Christ for 1,000 years, and during this time, the earth remains desolate. The saints are given authority to judge, and the wicked are not yet resurrected until the end of the 1,000 years.
   • “I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge... They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended... they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.” (Revelation 20:4-6)
2. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 - This passage explains that when Christ returns, the righteous dead will be resurrected, and those who are alive will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. This supports the idea that the saints are taken to heaven at Christ’s return to be with Him during the millennium.
   • “For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)
3. Revelation 21:1-2 - After the millennium, the earth is restored, and God creates a new heaven and a new earth. This signifies that the millennium is spent in heaven and concludes with the creation of a renewed earth for the redeemed to inhabit.
   • “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.” (Revelation 21:1-2)
4. Revelation 20:7-10 - At the end of the 1,000 years, Satan is released, and he deceives the nations once more, leading to the final battle against the saints. The judgment is completed, and the wicked are destroyed. This passage confirms that the millennium is a period of judgment, after which the final judgment of the wicked occurs.
   • “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations... They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.” (Revelation 20:7-9)
5. Matthew 25:31-34 - In this passage, Jesus describes the final judgment, which occurs at His second coming. The righteous are welcomed into His kingdom, which ties in with the idea of the millennium beginning in heaven and concluding with the final establishment of God's kingdom.
   • “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another... Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.’” (Matthew 25:31-34)

These Bible references collectively support the belief that the millennium occurs in heaven, beginning with Christ’s second coming and culminating in the creation of a new earth.

why is the devil bound if there are no humans on earth he could influence?

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

why is the devil bound if there are no humans on earth he could influence?

And what would Christ be ruling over?

 

[Melach]

And what would Christ be ruling over?

atleast the sda version of premillennialism doesnt include blasphemous animal sacrifices or resurrected saints hanging around conducting funeral services to the people who somehow survive the second coming in the flesh. the bible teaches flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, that when Jesus returns you are either a sheep who has eternal life or a goat who has eternal damnation. the bible teaches when Jesus returns the new heaven and the new earth is whats next. 2 Peter 3:10

these make premillennialism very challenging view to hold. but at the very least the adventists dont blaspheme Jesus' sacrifice by claiming further animal sacrifices in some millennial temple and all that nonsense you hear from the dispensationalists.

 

[Clayman]

atleast the sda version of premillennialism doesnt include blasphemous animal sacrifices or resurrected saints hanging around conducting funeral services to the people who somehow survive the second coming in the flesh. the bible teaches flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, that when Jesus returns you are either a sheep who has eternal life or a goat who has eternal damnation. the bible teaches when Jesus returns the new heaven and the new earth is whats next. 2 Peter 3:10

these make premillennialism very challenging view to hold. but at the very least the adventists dont blaspheme Jesus' sacrifice by claiming further animal sacrifices in some millennial temple and all that nonsense you hear from the dispensationalists.

The sda version of premillennialism basically deletes chapters and chapters from the old testament as the prophecies are no longer needed or relevant since the nation of Israel rejected Christ at His first coming and dont get an opportunity at His second? I mean how could a all knowing all powerful God nullify His own Word or covenant He has made with a people, the sda God doesnt seem to know the future or is conformed to change as the situations arise, due to changed circumstances. Shouldn't He have known Israel will reject Him?

Also Just because nationally they reject Him at His second coming Does not mean 1000s upon 1000s of individuals dont accept Him first and second coming. What Im meaning is that if Israel built a temple 100 years ago and sacrificed lambs there it may be viewed by us as a waste of time, or even an outworking of unbelief, which is how I think we should simply see things happening in the millennium.

In regards to 2pet ch 3 from my point of view it will be just as, if not more relevant for people reading it who are 980 years into the millennial kingdom, there will have been peace for nearly 1000yrs, armies will be gathering for war, antisemitism will again be at an all time high, false teachers will abound.

2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

I agree there will be a new heavens and new earth at the end of the 1000yrs, and I even think we will be with Christ in heaven during that time, so I dont think heaven or earth will be destroyed till after the 1000yrs, yet it clearly states they are destroyed at the same time, yet im thinking you have the earth destroyed but the heavens spared until the end of the 1000yrs?

2Pet 3 verse 12-13 That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

 

[Melach]

The sda version of premillennialism basically deletes chapters and chapters from the old testament as the prophecies are no longer needed or relevant since the nation of Israel rejected Christ at His first coming and dont get an opportunity at His second? I mean how could a all knowing all powerful God nullify His own Word or covenant He has made with a people, the sda God doesnt seem to know the future or is conformed to change as the situations arise, due to changed circumstances. Shouldn't He have known Israel will reject Him?

Also Just because nationally they reject Him at His second coming Does not mean 1000s upon 1000s of individuals dont accept Him first and second coming. What Im meaning is that if Israel built a temple 100 years ago and sacrificed lambs there it may be viewed by us as a waste of time, or even an outworking of unbelief, which is how I think we should simply see things happening in the millennium.

In regards to 2pet ch 3 from my point of view it will be just as, if not more relevant for people reading it who are 980 years into the millennial kingdom, there will have been peace for nearly 1000yrs, armies will be gathering for war, antisemitism will again be at an all time high, false teachers will abound.

2Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

I agree there will be a new heavens and new earth at the end of the 1000yrs, and I even think we will be with Christ in heaven during that time, so I dont think heaven or earth will be destroyed till after the 1000yrs, yet it clearly states they are destroyed at the same time, yet im thinking you have the earth destroyed but the heavens spared until the end of the 1000yrs?

2Pet 3 verse 12-13 That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

i recommend kim riddlebarger and anthony hoekema's books on the subject.

the prophecies to israel are fulfilled in Christ

 

[Rob7]

If you want to observe the sabbath, no problem. If you are like some of the others I've run into who insist not doing anything on Saturdays is a salvation issue, then that is a big problem. Christ fulfilled ALL of the law and it's righteous requirements are fulfilled when we walk in the spirit through faith. That includes the 4th commandment, the pupose of which was to know that God is the one santifying us. We have what Israel under the law did not have that enables us to know God is sanctifying us every moment of every day - the indwelling holy spirit.

Pride and presumption

Pride and presumption are Satan’s premier sin. Isaiah 14:13-14 Why he and one third of the angels were thrown out of Heaven. It seems that people, being prideful, presume that they can be saved, in our sin. “Once saved all ways saved” or as the Catholic Church does it… “you can continue sinning, just give a priest $$ and he will absolve you of your sins, so that you are good to go, ( to Heaven ) till the next time, then more penance & $$. No need for the Righteousness of Jesus, no heart transplant or character change or Judgement of God, necessary to see if your heart is like Christ and His righteousness. Hint; Christ’s Spirit, (Righteousness) and disobedience (unrighteousness) are mutually exclusive.

My righteousness are as filthy rags, … I have GOT TO HAVE His Righteousness, or else it’s a NO GO. By my spiritual presumption, my self-righteousness, I’m assuming the place of Christ, to saving myself. Which is works! Which is what the Catholic Church does, by taking the place of Christ, here on earth, “The Vicar of Christ”, , “inplaceof” Christ, *** anti-Christ ***

The presumption that the Holy Spirit, is indwelling, in me, while I live a life in sin, deluding myself, “believing a lie” that I’m being “be led of the Spirit, and (therefore) not under the law. Gal 5:18” which requires obedience, which is the Righteousness of Christ, before I can be “not under the law”.

Less we forget, the penalty of sin being death, hasn’t changed. “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Th 2:10-12

The remedy for this delusion? Jesus !! … Honest, PRAYER and FAITH in Christ, soul searching repentance, from our selfishness and self-righteousness, (sin) , re-attuning our nature & character, from our worldliness, James 4:4, to His Will and Character, His Righteousness. (eg. John 4:14, John 8:11, 1 Tim 3:16 )

Being baptized into His Spirit, His Righteousness, “In the name of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost”, … “come out of the world and the lust thereof, born again into newness of life, ”Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.” Matt 28:20. Amen.

Born of water and the Spirit, John 3:5