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Let's get the facts straight. The jews did not reject Jesus. The pharisees of the time those who thought were in charge of the Jewish people. Rejected him.
This is one of Satan's biggest lies and caused alot of confusion and war.
Jesus adressed the pharisees as vipers, white wash sepulchers. Children of the devil.
As the church today struggle with exposing the wolves in our assembly so Jesus did the same then.
This lie is what has caused the separation between jew and gentile and has given satan a strong foot hold in the matter.
Yes there is a blindness that Jesus spoke of, yes there is a curse that is upon the generations that was invoked.
But in no way is God a covenant breaker. He will redeem and restore.
We as the church are to pray for Israel. To bless Israel, in so doing to be blessed.
Jesus said No man takes my life I lay it down. As he repeatedly asked the father to forgive them as well as us.

The temple authority and teachers taught obedience to the law would save them. Salvation of works.
Is that why they yelled to free Barabbas and yelled "crucify him?"
 

Gideon300

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Okay, but it should be understood that physical Israel will only become done
when they become one with spiritual Israel per Paul in Romans 2:25-29 & 9:1-8.
For sure. Jews already paid a terrible price for rejecting and despising the true Messiah, Jesus. But God promised to restore Israel, not for their sake but for His glory. It is also necessary for the temple to be rebuilt. This will be another disaster for Israel as the Antichrist will reveal his true colours there. The whole world will be faced with a choice, Christ or the Antichrist. The two witnesses will see to that. They will be murdered in the streets of Jerusalem after prophesying and doing miracles for 3-1/2 years - just as Jesus did 2,000 years ago. They will rise again, just as Jesus did.

Without a restored nation of Israel, little of the book of Revelation makes sense, apart from the messages to the churches.
 

Gideon300

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#64
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God doesn’t identify israel like he did under the Old Testament it’s by the spirit of Christ now whoever accepts Christ and the gospel whether a Jew or gentile doesn’t matter then they are Gods chosen hiers in him
Israel still has a vital part in God's purpose. Revelation makes no sense otherwise. I have not said that all Jews are saved. That is not the point. Israel exists as absolute proof that God can keep His promises as revealed in His word.
 
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Is that why they yelled to free Barabbas and yelled "crucify him?"
Oh you mean the temple authority and the temple mob...what about the shouting of the son of david....hosanna praise song? Who was that. The romans?
They had to pay for witnesses against him. Nicodemas asking along with Joseph for his body.

It reflects on today's events. .....read carefully.
 
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The people feared the pharisees because they could cast them out of the synagogues, which would basically end their lives as they knew it, so they did what they were told. Even Jesus told them to do what the pharisees said, because they sat in the seat of Moses. A few believed, but most didn't, even as today.

Nothing is said in the NT about blessing or cursing Israel. Paul and Jesus said to don't curse anyone. There is no partiality with God, and there is no curse in Christ.
Let his blood be upon our heads and our children's heads.....was said by the mob
 
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The people feared the pharisees because they could cast them out of the synagogues, which would basically end their lives as they knew it, so they did what they were told. Even Jesus told them to do what the pharisees said, because they sat in the seat of Moses. A few believed, but most didn't, even as today.

Nothing is said in the NT about blessing or cursing Israel. Paul and Jesus said to don't curse anyone. There is no partiality with God, and there is no curse in Christ.
Let his blood be on our hands and our children's....shouted by the mob
 
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Christianity has come from the roots of judisim. Without the roots the tree dies.

We being grafted into that tree have now become under that new covenant spoken by Jeremiah.
For anyone to say or think that God is through with Israel makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
I detest replacement theology for what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
All are one and will be in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said that a man is judged by 2-3 witnesses. On earth today we have 2 witnesses that say God is real and living.
The Jews and the Christians, and the 3rd is yet to come Christ himself.
 

Cameron143

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Christianity has come from the roots of judisim. Without the roots the tree dies.

We being grafted into that tree have now become under that new covenant spoken by Jeremiah.
For anyone to say or think that God is through with Israel makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
I detest replacement theology for what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
All are one and will be in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said that a man is judged by 2-3 witnesses. On earth today we have 2 witnesses that say God is real and living.
The Jews and the Christians, and the 3rd is yet to come Christ himself.
Israel are natural branches. The root is always Christ. There is no longer Jew and Greek, but a new creation. The Jewish nation, like the church, is a creation of God. It was created under the old covenant. The church was created under the new covenant. There is only one covenant still existing and ethnicity has nothing to do with being a part of it. Either one is born again into it or they are not.
There is no replacement theology dealing with people. It was a covenant that was replaced. And there will come a time in the future when ethnic Jews will flock to the kingdom. Until then, it will be predominantly Gentiles who are converted.
 

Cameron143

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Christianity has come from the roots of judisim. Without the roots the tree dies.

We being grafted into that tree have now become under that new covenant spoken by Jeremiah.
For anyone to say or think that God is through with Israel makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
I detest replacement theology for what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
All are one and will be in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said that a man is judged by 2-3 witnesses. On earth today we have 2 witnesses that say God is real and living.
The Jews and the Christians, and the 3rd is yet to come Christ himself.
Israel are natural branches. The root is always Christ. There is no longer Jew and Greek, but a new creation. The Jewish nation, like the church, is a creation of God. It was created under the old covenant. The church was created under the new covenant. There is only one covenant still existing and ethnicity has nothing to do with being a part of it. Either one is born again into it or they are not.
There is no replacement theology dealing with people. It was a covenant that was replaced. And there will come a time in the future when ethnic Jews will flock to the kingdom. Until then, it will be predominantly Gentiles who are converted.
 

Gideon300

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He did beginning at Pentecost when the holy spirit was given reuniting Isarel and Judah in one body. Such unbelief not to see this.
"First the natural, then the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46. You are blind to God's plan for Israel as a nation. Read Romans 11 again.
 

Melach

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#76
Israel are natural branches. The root is always Christ. There is no longer Jew and Greek, but a new creation. The Jewish nation, like the church, is a creation of God. It was created under the old covenant. The church was created under the new covenant. There is only one covenant still existing and ethnicity has nothing to do with being a part of it. Either one is born again into it or they are not.
There is no replacement theology dealing with people. It was a covenant that was replaced. And there will come a time in the future when ethnic Jews will flock to the kingdom. Until then, it will be predominantly Gentiles who are converted.
the dispies are the real replacement theology people. they replace the one seed which is Christ with many seeds. the one people of God with two people of God.
 

Melach

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Christianity has come from the roots of judisim. Without the roots the tree dies.

We being grafted into that tree have now become under that new covenant spoken by Jeremiah.
For anyone to say or think that God is through with Israel makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
I detest replacement theology for what God has joined together let no man put asunder.
All are one and will be in Christ Jesus.

Jesus said that a man is judged by 2-3 witnesses. On earth today we have 2 witnesses that say God is real and living.
The Jews and the Christians, and the 3rd is yet to come Christ himself.
the tree is not judaism but Christ.

no one believes in replacement theology except for dispies who replace the seed singular Christ with multiple seeds the jews.
thats the real replacement theology.

no one teaches God is "through with israel" because the bible says God is not done with israel, and st.paul takes himself as an example. he is an israelite, of the tribe of benjamin and he is part of the church.

the church consists of jews and gentiles. together one new man in Christ. the gentiles and jews who arent in Christ are not saved. its not hard
 
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"First the natural, then the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15:46. You are blind to God's plan for Israel as a nation. Read Romans 11 again.
Yes, first natural Israel, then spiritual Israel. If you want we can go over Romans 11 in detail. Nowhere does it say what you're claiming. In fact, it says the the complete opposite in agreement with the entirety of scripture that witnesses only a remnant is ever saved. Paul takes pains throughout Romans 9-11 to make the case that only a remnant of Israel is saved.
 
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the tree is not judaism but Christ.

no one believes in replacement theology except for dispies who replace the seed singular Christ with multiple seeds the jews.
thats the real replacement theology.

no one teaches God is "through with israel" because the bible says God is not done with israel, and st.paul takes himself as an example. he is an israelite, of the tribe of benjamin and he is part of the church.

the church consists of jews and gentiles. together one new man in Christ. the gentiles and jews who arent in Christ are not saved. its not hard
I believe i pointed to the roots.