Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Jul 3, 2015
65,371
33,285
113

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.
 
Jul 3, 2015
65,371
33,285
113
It came to my attention recently that when the natural man who does not comprehend the gospel is mentioned, some (many more than one) of our free willers have no idea who that refers to! They are so busy ascribing to the natural man what only the spiritual man is capable of that they completely overlook what the Bible actually says of either of them. Overlook, contradict, and outright deny.


In 1 Cor 2 verse 14, the natural man, still unsaved, cannot comprehend the spiritual things of God. He does not understand Christ’s atoning sacrifice, for that is foolishness to him (1 Cor 1 verse 18). The Holy Spirit Himself must convict him of its reality, and of his standing before God (John 16 verses 7-11).So this natural man is unregenerated, one who does not have the Holy Spirit residing within him. As Jesus said, “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3 verse 6).
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
23,215
7,899
113
63
Yup just like people can receive, not only refuse without unique divine intervention, the Good News and the gift of salvation.
Stick to what the passage teaches. Then you will be be okay. Allow what people say to be what they mean and stop adding both to scripture and what others say.
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
23,215
7,899
113
63
It is essential to separate it out,

CDS, let us use your slur since you think it is so powerful, is destroying TULIP, so many testimonies of people escaping, it is awesome.!!
No. It's important to allow passages of scripture actually say what they say.

This perspective is why you err.
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
23,215
7,899
113
63
If you reworded my attempts that you cited as objectionable in a way you find acceptable,
I did not see it, so please repost it. Thanks.
Umm...maybe stop calling people pot, Marxist, anal, and unable to drink in God's word.
 
Sep 2, 2020
16,230
6,548
113
As I have been suggesting recently, please suggest a Scripture you would like to discuss,
so that we don't waste time playing verbal ping-pong. Thanks.
“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭


We aren’t born like that but we yield to sin and become bound and servants of sin

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We all eventually yeild to sin and then it entangles and binds us so that we need to be set free of that captivity to sin

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We’re born free then we yeild later to sin as we grow and then we need salvation and freedom or redemption , restoration , reconciliation to our original state

sin corrupts us and makes it like this

“I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬

Notice it says bringing me into captivity we aren’t born as captives to Satan we freely choose to serve sin in life and become bond servants of his Will which is sin. At this point we need remisssion of sins power over us to hold us captive in that law of sin within us because of good and evil

awe are born free , then choose sin when we are found in sin we thy en need remission of sins and restoration through the gospel

We aren’t made wrong by God we choose wrong and end up realization mg we need Jesus or were dead meat
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
23,215
7,899
113
63
So you agree to abandon TULIP, awesome, I am so happy, been praying for this day!
Glad to see your sense of humor improving. But I don't subscribe to TULIP. I subscribe to truth. I view doctrine individually allowing scripture to speak for itself. Having to label vast portions of scripture into an acronym belies your bias.
 

HeIsHere

Well-known member
May 21, 2022
9,687
3,496
113
Glad to see your sense of humor improving. But I don't subscribe to TULIP. I subscribe to truth. I view doctrine individually allowing scripture to speak for itself. Having to label vast portions of scripture into an acronym belies your bias.
So you say!
Til the next duel.
 
Oct 19, 2024
6,162
1,222
113
USA-TX
Umm...maybe stop calling people pot, Marxist, anal, and unable to drink in God's word.
Okay, how about simply saying "you are wrong IMO"?

As in I think you are wrong to accuse people of what you do,
I think you are wrong to employ the Marxist tactic of projection,
I think it is wrong to be anal about secondary issues instead of celebrating spiritual unity,
and I think it is wrong to ignore Scripture supporting/teaching/indicating/implying MFW.
 

Cameron143

Well-known member
Mar 1, 2022
23,215
7,899
113
63
Okay, how about simply saying "you are wrong IMO"?

As in I think you are wrong to accuse people of what you do,
I think you are wrong to employ the Marxist tactic of projection,
I think it is wrong to be anal about secondary issues instead of celebrating spiritual unity,
and I think it is wrong to ignore Scripture supporting/teaching/indicating/implying MFW.
Yes, calling people names does not promote unity. That's what I've said all along.
 
Oct 19, 2024
6,162
1,222
113
USA-TX
Yes, calling people names does not promote unity. That's what I've said all along.
Okay, please feel free to reprove me if I slip up and call someone a name instead of describe a behavior,
and may I do the same for y'all?

Do you want to suggest a Scripture for us to study/discuss by way of practicing better reproving
when there is disagreement?