Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

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no need to skip over to Romans 8 to find out who the free gift came upon ... Romans 5:17 tells us:

Romans 5:17-18 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. ) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

those who receive [Greek lambanō = actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available ... emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness are the ones to whom justification of life
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The sinners Christ died for receive Justification into life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Thats these right here as well Rom 8:30
 

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@Ouch

So you chose your word over HIS?

It's called free will.

What do you think these verse say and mean?

Acts 2:38-39
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
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The phrase...neither in this world, neither in the world to come...simply means it will never be forgiven.
the word "world" in Matt 12:32 is translated from the Greek word aiōn which means age.

In the "age" we live in (subsequent to the death-resurrection-ascention of the Lord Jesus Christ], the Holy Spirit continues to glorify and reveal the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who reject are, in effect, speaking against the Holy Spirit ... they deny Him. In denying Him, they deny the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who the Holy Spirit reveals

John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
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You are right we we do have to be reborn physically to be reborn.

If you were not born physically you would not be able to be REBORN.
You would not be able to read HIS word.
You would not be able to OBEY HIS word.
In John 3:6 JESUS separates the two. Which is born of flesh (natural) is flest, what is born of spirit is spirit.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
In John 3:5 JESUS is clear need BOTH to be reborn.

Acts 2, they were filled with the Holy Ghost, scripture doesn't say when they were baptized in JESUS name (my thoughts can't back it up with scripture, they were a part of the 3 thousand) and the ones who had JESUS hung on the cross were baptized in JESUS name, it does not say they spoke in tongues. BUT after they OBEYED and 3 thousand souls were added.
Acts 8, they were baptized in JESUS name and HOW DID THEY KNOW THEY DID NOT GET THE HOLY GHOST?????
Yep did not speak in tongues, they sent for Peter and John and days later got the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10, they got the Holy Ghost and Peter COMMANDED them to be baptized in JESUS name.
Acts 19, Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE YOU HAVE BELIEVED? HOW WERE YOU BAPTIZED???

Paul knew since they didn't know of the Holy Ghost and they were baptized by John they needed to be bapitzed in JESUS name. THEY OBEYED also, were baptized and received the Holy Ghost.
After the book of Acts those are letters to CHURCHS that Paul started with the foundation of the book of Acts the building of the church, NOT TO THE UNSAVED.
Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 2:8-10
We are saved by grace! What does the name john mean in hebrew?...

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Gal. 5:22-23
We should have the fruit of the spirit!

Question for you, why do you question the book of Acts and HIS disciples?
You don't think they know what they are speaking of?
Have YOU received the Holy Ghost since you have belived? HOW were YOU baptized?
Ok, well how do you know who he di
So you chose your word over HIS?
It's called free will.

What do you think these verse say and mean?
Acts 2:38-39 King James Version
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Good summary, except that it does not include Scripture indicating that WB is a work that follows saving faith (like circumcision)
and therefore may be optional like any other specific work, such as Rom. 10:9. Here is how I describe spiritual dynamics:

Before describing the dynamics of the relationship with God as a Christian, let us ponder how it works more primitively. Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15).

Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17). At this stage a person’s interaction with the Spirit of God begins, but a soul’s fellowship with God begins in a primitive or impersonal way when the person exercises God’s seeking grace to becomes a truthseeker, because God’s Spirit is Truth (1John 5:6) and seeking salvation satisfies the command of Jesus regarding saving faith (Matt. 7:7), although the sinner does not know it (Rom. 1:17)

As a truthseeker at any time in history contemplates creation, Paul indicates that they will be able to discern God’s being and loving will in nature (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-15, Gal. 5:14) by means of what theologians call general revelation. When they realize that God has a moral requirement, if they worship Him they become like Abraham, and the relationship with God becomes personal (Rom. 4:1-25). Presumably God provides such believers the opportunity to learn the proto-gospel, so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate sacrifice of Christ, whether in the form of Abraham’s ram (Gen. 22:13) or Moses’ lamb (Exo. 12:21).

At the moment of repentance/saving faith, the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (Rev. 3:20)–again even though they do not realize it–because Paul taught that whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ (Rom. 8:9). Of course, partial knowledge of God’s Word will limit ability to cooperate with Him, so there is a need for evangelism and learning the full Gospel (Matt. 28:19-20). If a moralist truthseeker (on the basis of general revelation) is taught about God (perhaps via the OT), then he/she may choose to believe in God or become a theist. If theists are taught the Gospel (NT), then they may choose to believe/accept Jesus as Christ. In both cases salvation is a gift/grace from God received by faith “from first to last” (Rom. 1:17).

When a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5, Rev. 3:20), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water (WB) and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). Any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and WB may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism/SB) and he probably left the WB to his assistants.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John 13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are WB.”)

The relationship between Believers/Christians and God may be viewed as having three stages: conversion, spiritual growth or maturation (Eph 4:13), and glorification (1Pet. 5:10) or immortality (1Cor. 15:53) in heaven. The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). Because a convert’s commitment to Christ is in accordance with God’s perfect will (1Tim. 2:3-4), the moment of SB fulfills the command to be filled with the Spirit (in Eph. 5:18), which means to cooperate fully with the love of God (Eph. 3:16-19).

The moment or stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received SB. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13), which is present progressive: it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity. A new convert does not achieve immediate perfection by remaining filled with the HS (Phil. 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance of GW and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing post-conversion sins, at which time the are carnal or acting like unbelievers (1Cor. 3:1). As soon as new Christians realize they sinned, they should confess it...
 

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the word "world" in Matt 12:32 is translated from the Greek word aiōn which means age.

In the "age" we live in (subsequent to the death-resurrection-ascention of the Lord Jesus Christ], the Holy Spirit continues to glorify and reveal the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who reject are, in effect, speaking against the Holy Spirit ... they deny Him. In denying Him, they deny the Lord Jesus Christ ... Who the Holy Spirit reveals

John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
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It doesn't matter how you define the word world. That has no bearing on what the verse teaches concerning blasphemy of the Spirit. Whatever age it occurs in, it is ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan. Unbelief is not the act of ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan.
 
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The sinners Christ died for
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The sinners Christ died for received Justification of life Rom 5:18 as the result

herefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 

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Good summary, except that it does not include Scripture indicating that WB is a work that follows saving faith (like circumcision)
and therefore may be optional like any other specific work, such as Rom. 10:9. Here is how I describe spiritual dynamics:

Before describing the dynamics of the relationship with God as a Christian, let us ponder how it works more primitively. Human nature was created good but not perfect (Gen. 1:31), and Jesus had a human nature that was perfected during his earthly life (Heb. 5:8-9), which moral perfection should be every Christian’s lifelong goal (Phil. 3:12-15).

Humans are born selfish but innocent babies until they attain the stage of moral accountability or conscience (normally about the stage of pre-pubescence), comparable to when Adam and Eve became aware it was wrong to eat from the forbidden tree (Gen. 2:17). At this stage a person’s interaction with the Spirit of God begins, but a soul’s fellowship with God begins in a primitive or impersonal way when the person exercises God’s seeking grace to becomes a truthseeker, because God’s Spirit is Truth (1John 5:6) and seeking salvation satisfies the command of Jesus regarding saving faith (Matt. 7:7), although the sinner does not know it (Rom. 1:17)

As a truthseeker at any time in history contemplates creation, Paul indicates that they will be able to discern God’s being and loving will in nature (Rom. 1:20, 2:14-15, Gal. 5:14) by means of what theologians call general revelation. When they realize that God has a moral requirement, if they worship Him they become like Abraham, and the relationship with God becomes personal (Rom. 4:1-25). Presumably God provides such believers the opportunity to learn the proto-gospel, so they may repent of sin and accept the pre-incarnate sacrifice of Christ, whether in the form of Abraham’s ram (Gen. 22:13) or Moses’ lamb (Exo. 12:21).

At the moment of repentance/saving faith, the Spirit of Christ/God’s Holy Spirit enters the believer’s spiritual heart (Rev. 3:20)–again even though they do not realize it–because Paul taught that whoever does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Christ (Rom. 8:9). Of course, partial knowledge of God’s Word will limit ability to cooperate with Him, so there is a need for evangelism and learning the full Gospel (Matt. 28:19-20). If a moralist truthseeker (on the basis of general revelation) is taught about God (perhaps via the OT), then he/she may choose to believe in God or become a theist. If theists are taught the Gospel (NT), then they may choose to believe/accept Jesus as Christ. In both cases salvation is a gift/grace from God received by faith “from first to last” (Rom. 1:17).

When a sinner learns the NT Gospel of Christ, repents and confesses Jesus as Lord (Acts 20:21, Rom. 10:9), the Holy Spirit (HS) enters the convert’s heart (Rom. 5:5, Rev. 3:20), uniting them with God as heavenly Father (Rom. 8:9) and identifying them with Christ’s worldwide/catholic body or church (Col. 1:18), which moment is called spiritual rebirth (John 3:3-8) or “baptism by the Spirit” (1Cor. 12:13).

Confusion may arise from the fact that Paul says there is only one baptism (Eph. 4:5), but elsewhere the NT seems to refer to two types of baptism: one by water (WB) and another by the HS (Matt. 3:11, John 1:26-33, Acts 1:5). Any confusion is resolved by understanding that the two types of baptism are harmonized if baptism with water is viewed as a symbolic way of portraying baptism by the HS. (Most Bibles have a footnote for Mark 16:9-20 saying that the passage is not a reliable or well-attested part of the NT canon, so it is problematic to cite v.16 as requiring water baptism for salvation along with drinking poison or handling asps as signs of being saved.)

Both outward confession and WB may be seen as works manifesting love for God that every new Believer will want to (but we cannot say “must”) perform as soon as possible following his/her decision to have saving faith (cf. Matt. 3:13-15, Acts 2:38). Paul referred to the comparable moment for Abraham as spiritual circumcision. Although Paul did not command baptism, he administered it (in Acts 16:33, 18:8, 19:5 & 1Cor. 1:114-16) even though he said Christ did not send him to baptize but to preach the gospel (1Cor. 1:17). IOW, Paul’s focus was on preaching (spirit baptism/SB) and he probably left the WB to his assistants.

The outward evidence that someone was baptized by the HS and is Spirit-filled (Eph. 5:18) or walking with God is the manifestation of the fullness of Christ (Eph. 3:19, 4:13) or fruit of the Spirit, which consists of such attributes as those listed in Galatians 5:22-23: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Jesus said “All men will know that you are my disciples if you love one another” (John 13:35, 1John 4:7-21), because “love” sums up the moral character of God (1John 4:7-8). (He did NOT say “…if you are WB.”)

The relationship between Believers/Christians and God may be viewed as having three stages: conversion, spiritual growth or maturation (Eph 4:13), and glorification (1Pet. 5:10) or immortality (1Cor. 15:53) in heaven. The kerygmatic prayer that is necessary in order for a sinner be saved and walk with God is confession (1John 1:9, Psa. 32:1-5). Because a convert’s commitment to Christ is in accordance with God’s perfect will (1Tim. 2:3-4), the moment of SB fulfills the command to be filled with the Spirit (in Eph. 5:18), which means to cooperate fully with the love of God (Eph. 3:16-19).

The moment or stage of conversion may be described grammatically as occurring in the past: we were saved when we repented/received SB. From the moment of repentance onward begins the second stage of growth, discipleship (Acts 14:22) or sanctification (2Thes. 2:13), which is present progressive: it is the process of being saved now. This stage has two phases: instability and maturity. A new convert does not achieve immediate perfection by remaining filled with the HS (Phil. 3:12). Instead, the combination of temptations, ignorance of GW and the old selfish nature results in immature saints committing post-conversion sins, at which time the are carnal or acting like unbelievers (1Cor. 3:1). As soon as new Christians realize they sinned, they should confess it...
I'm sorry, I didn't read all of that.

Can you share those scriputers that being bapitzed in JESUS name is a work please.

If your saying that being bapitzed comes after salvation, then your saying we don't have to get rid of our sins to be saved??? Be great if you could share those scriptures also. Show me were people were saved with out getting rid of sins.

FYI, Romans 10:9 Paul is speaking to the members of the church he started he's telling them to get out and confess JESUS to remain saved.

Notice the first word in Romans 10:1
Brethren,

If you keep reading you will see.

If your going to tell me there is a different way to get reborn other than Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sin and still need JESUS to fill us with the Holy Ghost HIS SPIRIT then just share those scriptures.

Lets keep it simple please.
 
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It doesn't matter how you define the word world. That has no bearing on what the verse teaches concerning blasphemy of the Spirit. Whatever age it occurs in, it is ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan. Unbelief is not the act of ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan.
in the age to come mentioned by the Lord Jesus Christ (which includes the time we're living in now) ... is it possible to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? ... or was that something that could only occur when Jesus was physically present on the earth? ... thanks ...
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in the age to come mentioned by the Lord Jesus Christ (which includes the time we're living in now) ... is it possible to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? ... or was that something that could only occur when Jesus was physically present on the earth? ... thanks ...
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I believe it is no longer possible, but I'm not dogmatic about it. But even if if it is still possible, it's not unbelief that is the blasphemy.
 
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I believe it is no longer possible, but I'm not dogmatic about it. But even if if it is still possible, it's not unbelief that is the blasphemy.
What of John 3 verse 18? Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one
and only Son. Why are unbelievers condemned for unbelief if it is forgivable? I think I have
tried to get a handle on this part of what you believe before but never fully grasped it.
And I do understand that unbelievers are moved to belief also and are then no longer condemned...
 

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What of John 3 verse 18? Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not
believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one
and only Son. Why are unbelievers condemned for unbelief if it is forgivable? I think I have
tried to get a handle on this part of what you believe before but never fully grasped it.
And I do understand that unbelievers are moved to belief also and are then no longer condemned...
Were you ever guilty of unbelief? Have you been forgiven of that sin? Everyone who gets saved was once guilty of unbelief and has been forgiven of it. If someone has been forgiven of unbelief, how then is unbelief unpardonable?

I believe the passage in Matthew 12 is speaking of the particular sin of ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan and not the Holy Spirit. That's how I understand the passage.
 
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in the age to come mentioned by the Lord Jesus Christ (which includes the time we're living in now) ... is it possible to blaspheme the Holy Spirit? ... or was that something that could only occur when Jesus was physically present on the earth? ... thanks ...
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Blasphemy of the spirit is the fruit of a reprobate heart that is so depraved it calls evil, good and good, evil, like the pharisees who didn't fear God saying Jesus miraculously healing a man was the work of the devil. Jesus said beware that the light in us isn't darkness, because then the darkness will be very great. It's not possible for an unrepentant heart to be forgiven; and how can a heart repent when it thinks darkness is light? Only by the grace of God. If anyone fears blaspheming the spirit, then that is the spirit of fear of God at work in their life and a sign that they are not of a spirit to do so.
 
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Were you ever guilty of unbelief? Have you been forgiven of that sin? Everyone who gets saved was once guilty of unbelief and has been forgiven of it. If someone has been forgiven of unbelief, how then is unbelief unpardonable?

I believe the passage in Matthew 12 is speaking of the particular sin of ascribing the works of Jesus to Satan and not the Holy Spirit. That's how I understand the passage.
Cameron, I did already address the issue of coming to believe.
 
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OK. So help me understand what you are asking.
In the final analysis, at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment of all, will those who do not believe in
the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ to pay the price for their sins... not suffer the second death? They remain unforgiven.
 

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In the final analysis, at the end of this age following the resurrection and judgment of all, will those who do not believe in
the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ to pay the price for their sins... not suffer the second death? They remain unforgiven.
Sure, they remain unforgiven and will suffer the 2nd death. I'm not sure I understand the point you are making.
 
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I'm sorry, I didn't read all of that.

Can you share those scriputers that being bapitzed in JESUS name is a work please.

If your saying that being bapitzed comes after salvation, then your saying we don't have to get rid of our sins to be saved??? Be great if you could share those scriptures also. Show me were people were saved with out getting rid of sins.

FYI, Romans 10:9 Paul is speaking to the members of the church he started he's telling them to get out and confess JESUS to remain saved.

Notice the first word in Romans 10:1 Brethren,

If you keep reading you will see.

If your going to tell me there is a different way to get reborn other than Believe, repent, get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of our sin and still need JESUS to fill us with the Holy Ghost HIS SPIRIT then just share those scriptures.

Lets keep it simple please.
Simply: Any outward act is a work, and WB replaced circumcision as the rite following/portraying preceding inward faith/SB,
which is the condition for forgiveness of sins made justly possible because of Christ's atonement. (Other outward signs of WB
include the list in Gal. 5:22-23, with love being primary per Jesus in John 13:35.)