Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Magenta]

TULIP.

Lilies are preferable.

Consider how the lilies grow... From Matthew 6 verse 28-30 plus Psalm 91 verse 11

 

[Cameron143]

Deuteronomy 7:6
For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you
to be a people for His prized possession out of all peoples on the face of the earth.

Wait...wouldn't that mean God chose Israel, but not other nations?

 

[studier]

Going off point again. Did God choose Israel? Did He choose Israel because of anything that was true of them? Did He choose them because He wanted to manifest His love to them? Did God force Israel to be His people?

More focused questions this time now that you've removed the nations portion.

 

[cv5]

Going off point again. Did God choose Israel? Did He choose Israel because of anything that was true of them? Did He choose them because He wanted to manifest His love to them? Did God force Israel to be His people?

Choose them to do what exactly?
To prove TULIP?

As if God is saying "nanny nanny foo foo you did not get chosen" to the rest of humanity?
That is what you say is going on here?

If you TULIP-ers actually believe that was God's purpose is raising up Israel, you are truly hopeless.

 

[Cameron143]

Thought that might be the case. It also seems to afford a reason to ignore the points re: election that I mentioned that are in disagreement with your view.

So start a thread and let's hash it out.

 

[cv5]

Moses negotiated the covenant? Do tell. What scripture leads you to this belief?

So the truth is that you really do not know what is going on there. Wow. Tragic.

Glad its not my problem.

 

[Magenta]

Wait...wouldn't that mean God chose Israel, but not other nations?

It certainly seems to denote/indicate a preeminence. And that God chose them is an inescapable fact.

 

[Magenta]

Isaiah 40 verses 6B-8 ~ All flesh is like grass, and all its glory like the flowers of the field. The grass withers and the flowers fall when the breath of the LORD blows on them; indeed, the people are grass. The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.

 

[Cameron143]

Choose them to do what exactly?
To prove TULIP?

As if God is saying "nanny nanny foo foo you did not get chosen" to the rest of humanity?
That is what you say is going on here?

If you TULIP-ers actually believe that was God's purpose is raising up Israel, you are truly hopeless.

Please stay on topic. God chose Israel. We have a point of agreement. In the same passage in Deuteronomy 7, God gives the reason He chose them. What is the reason given?

 

[Cameron143]

More focused questions this time now that you've removed the nations portion.

The passage actually says that God chose Israel out of all the nations on earth to be His prized possession. This alone establishes the questions concerning nations pertinent.

 

[Cameron143]

Choose them to do what exactly?
To prove TULIP?

As if God is saying "nanny nanny foo foo you did not get chosen" to the rest of humanity?
That is what you say is going on here?

If you TULIP-ers actually believe that was God's purpose is raising up Israel, you are truly hopeless.

Going off point again. What does the scripture say concerning why God chose Israel?

 

[cv5]

Please stay on topic. God chose Israel. We have a point of agreement. In the same passage in Deuteronomy 7, God gives the reason He chose them. What is the reason given?

Another one-verse wonder TULIP gaffe.

The reality however is far beyond your grasp and comprehension.

 

[Cameron143]

So the truth is that you really do not know what is going on there. Wow. Tragic.

Glad its not my problem.

As the Black Knight said...running away, are ya? Why can't you simply deal with scripture?

 

[Cameron143]

Another one-verse wonder TULIP gaffe.

The reality however is far beyond your grasp and comprehension.

Running away, while shouting back.

 

[Mem]

6He says: “It is not enough for You to be My Servant,

to raise up the tribes of Jacob,

and to restore the protected ones of Israel.

I will also make You a light for the nations,

to bring My salvation to the ends of the earth.”b

 

[studier]

So start a thread and let's hash it out.

We're good hashing here IMO. This thread is about free will and we can limit "free' to whatever we want and can agree to or delete it altogether. It really makes no difference to me.

 

[studier]

The passage actually says that God chose Israel out of all the nations on earth to be His prized possession. This alone establishes the questions concerning nations pertinent.

Please include the passage reference.

 

[HeIsHere]

Going off point again. Did God choose Israel? Did He choose Israel because of anything that was true of them? Did He choose them because He wanted to manifest His love to them? Did God force Israel to be His people?

Please do not conflate personal individual salvation with the God using Israel to bring about that personal individual salvation.

 

[Cameron143]

We're good hashing here IMO. This thread is about free will and we can limit "free' to whatever we want and can agree to or delete it altogether. It really makes no difference to me.

No thanks.

 

[Cameron143]

Please include the passage reference.

It was already posted.