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  1. sawdust

    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    So you think.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    You don't have to die to be a casualty of war.
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    Why would God show me this

    Because He is kind and generous and wants His people to know Him.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    You said it was at the Second Coming of Christ. He's not doing a fly by, He is returning to Earth to set up His Kingdom. He won't be leaving after He gets here but you have left Him with ruling unbelievers only as you have the believers taken away. The rapture and the Second Coming are two...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    You don't seem to be understanding what the problem is with your argument. You're saying they can't be unbelievers that are taken because the world's population is never half and half. But whether it is unbelievers or believers taken, it is still half and half. You also ignore the "taking" is...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Why would Christ leave the wicked on the Earth to populate His Millennium rule?
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    Poll about how you see predestination/freewill

    None of the above as predestination has nothing to do with man's free will. Predestination is God deciding what to do with believers; where and when to put them, how they are to work out the salvation they are given ie by conscience, Law (Torah) or the Spirit. Man has no part in that decision...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Which shows not all believers are resurrected at the same time.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    So what? You're saying the half taken are believers so you are in the exact same position. You still have exactly half as unbelievers. It's a figurative statement.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    It's exactly what it says. If it was simply Christ first then everyone else the Greek could say that but it doesn't. There would be no need to single out different orders, as in "own order" as we would all be the same order but we are not. ASV But each in his own order: AMPC But each in his own...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Christ does not come to Earth at the Rapture. We meet Him in the air and He takes us (the Church) to where He is, just as He promised in John 14:3. He comes at the Second Coming to judge the Earth and establish His rule on Earth, not to save His saints, although this will save Israel who will...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    When do the Millennium saints get resurrected? Or the pre-flood or post flood pre-Israel saints? What about Israel, when are they resurrected which is promised throughout the OT?
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    The Resurrection of the Church and the Rapture are the same event but not all believers are resurrected at the same time. Believers are resurrected each according to their own order/class/set/company. 1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    You're still not getting it. Matthew 24 is not the Rapture, it is the Second Coming. The Rapture is the resurrection of the Church which has already occurred. No-one is being Raptured at this time. Entering the Ark is akin to being in Christ (saved). When He returns, He will gather Israel...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Read the passage and ask yourself "who is the "them" referring to, the people on the Ark or the people eating and drinking etc?" Be honest and you might stop embarrassing yourself. Matt.24"38-39 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in...
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    Your theory says the same thing so what's your point? It's not literal as I highly doubt there is ever only two people in a field sowing or harvesting. Jesus is using figurative language to describe a culling.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    ROFL I'm a pre-tribber. Matthew 24 is not talking about the Rapture, it is the Second Coming. Try and read the passage without your bias. Those who are being taken is not Noah and co. The rest of your ramblings make no sense.
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    I said they were taken by the flood. How is that saying they were taken before the flood?
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    Matthew 24:40 Is the rapture secret?

    No need to make silly remarks, just read the passage. It is quite clear the "them" that the flood takes away are the unbelievers, not those in the Ark and Jesus said it will be like that when He returns. His Coming will be like a flood that removes the wicked from the Earth. The passage is...
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    At what point in our salvation is the blood of Christ applied?

    Ok, but like I said before, that wasn't the crux of my original post. I agree we are now going in circles. peace of the Lord be with you. :)