This is a general reply to the Catholics who are displaying the wrong spirits in their interactions here. Your works reveal the spirits you are entertaining and considering as god. It is not the Spirit of God that insights evil in any way. Over spacing and non-replies that attempt to deny and divert, hate filled e-mails and a pious arrogance that says; “I don’t have to explain myself, I have the Pope”, are not of God. As far as the pope goes, do you have any idea the corruption and perversion that existed throughout catholic history, even into today’s church?!! Did you not know that the first pope was not a believer but a Jew appointed by Constantine in his attempt to legalize all religions and keep peace with existing ones! Quite honestly to my studies, the Catholic Church has been the greatest corrupter of God since the Pharisees! So to me corruption begets corruption, not God.
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Let me first say I am NOT a Roman Catholic!
I find your post bigoted and sectarian which obviously has come out of a wholly uninformed dark mind, you obviously are unable to come to any balanced informed opinion on the Roman Catholic church, I suggest you first get rid of your carnal immature attitude and then look at this subject again! 1Cor 3v1-4
I find your post bigoted and sectarian which obviously has come out of a wholly uninformed dark mind, you obviously are unable to come to any balanced informed opinion on the Roman Catholic church, I suggest you first get rid of your carnal immature attitude and then look at this subject again! 1Cor 3v1-4
Oh my. How is your post any better than the one you criticize?
There are many faults with the Catholic church. But there are souls in the Catholic church that need Christ just as much as the heathen outside the Catholic church. The real problem that must be addressed and overcome is the Catholic church makes people religious but does not tell them how to obtain eternal life.
We can go back and forth over the errors in the Catholic church doctrine but most of the people in the Catholic church don't really know or believe all that the church teaches so they are unaffected by the debate.
Christ died on Calvary and shed His blood to save souls not churches.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
There are many faults with the Catholic church. But there are souls in the Catholic church that need Christ just as much as the heathen outside the Catholic church. The real problem that must be addressed and overcome is the Catholic church makes people religious but does not tell them how to obtain eternal life.
We can go back and forth over the errors in the Catholic church doctrine but most of the people in the Catholic church don't really know or believe all that the church teaches so they are unaffected by the debate.
Christ died on Calvary and shed His blood to save souls not churches.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Don't talk absolute nonsense!
What really needs to be addressed is the bigoted sectarian attitudes of some persons here on CC; of all the denominations within the Christian church it is the Roman Catholic church that gets (unneccessarily) slagged off continuously on CC with destructive criticism!
The persons who do this (and it is the same ones generally who do it all the time) need to address their bigoted sectarian attitudes, for at the end of the day such springs out of a blind carnal immature spiritual mind even as those at the Church of Corinth! 1Cor 3v1-8
What really needs to be addressed is the bigoted sectarian attitudes of some persons here on CC; of all the denominations within the Christian church it is the Roman Catholic church that gets (unneccessarily) slagged off continuously on CC with destructive criticism!
The persons who do this (and it is the same ones generally who do it all the time) need to address their bigoted sectarian attitudes, for at the end of the day such springs out of a blind carnal immature spiritual mind even as those at the Church of Corinth! 1Cor 3v1-8
Surely you jest. Even the popes do not know that they will enter into heaven. They feel that they will spend less time in purgatory than the laity but they do not teach that even they go directly to heaven. That however is beside the point. I would like for you to tell me what you find to be the most redeeming characteristic of the Catholic church. What reason would you give to some one who enquired about joining the Catholic church to proceed.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I like this idea so I will answer it with one thing I don't like about the catholicism and one thing i do like.
First one thing I don't like:
That Pope Francis publicly defiled one of my favorite biblical people a few months ago by making a spectacle of his bones and telling people to pray to them. (Though remember I think Peter would still forgive him, but it still kinda rubbed me, personally, the wrong way. I understand the point of proving Peter's historocity, but i didn't like how he took it the extra mile and did all the other stuff.)
Something I like about the Catholic Church:
As a fan of history, literature, and even the fictional writings of the Ancients some people that were the Catholic monks of old preserved for our generations today the only literature that survived the turbulence and chaos of the Dark Ages. For that I think anyone, Christian or not, should be greatful if they are a fan of literature and history.
Really these two things kinda speak to my feelings on the so-called catholic church. Usually it seems to me the ones in high political power within their organzation rub me the wrong way. On the other hand a lot the people that are just lowly monks or just average people have done some of the best work for humanity and preserving Christianity.
Just my personal thoughts though.
First one thing I don't like:
That Pope Francis publicly defiled one of my favorite biblical people a few months ago by making a spectacle of his bones and telling people to pray to them. (Though remember I think Peter would still forgive him, but it still kinda rubbed me, personally, the wrong way. I understand the point of proving Peter's historocity, but i didn't like how he took it the extra mile and did all the other stuff.)
Something I like about the Catholic Church:
As a fan of history, literature, and even the fictional writings of the Ancients some people that were the Catholic monks of old preserved for our generations today the only literature that survived the turbulence and chaos of the Dark Ages. For that I think anyone, Christian or not, should be greatful if they are a fan of literature and history.
Really these two things kinda speak to my feelings on the so-called catholic church. Usually it seems to me the ones in high political power within their organzation rub me the wrong way. On the other hand a lot the people that are just lowly monks or just average people have done some of the best work for humanity and preserving Christianity.
Just my personal thoughts though.
Interesting perspective. I would hope that most Christians would be uncomfortable with the bones of dead people. Many do not believe that the bones in question are genuine but the idea in and of itself is a little gruesome.
I am guessing that you believe that the historical accuracy of the Catholic churches archives to be reliable. You would not subscribe to the idea that they filter history to suit their own ends.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I am guessing that you believe that the historical accuracy of the Catholic churches archives to be reliable. You would not subscribe to the idea that they filter history to suit their own ends.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Hey this is a good response indeed!
First I do want to state again, I am not a catholic nor ever been one now am I trying to become one.
Next, yes I do believe those bones are Peter's due to where they were found, the historical story behind them, the tomb being marked as Peter's, how they were found, the burial shroud stain, etc. all have pretty good evidence even from a secularist Christian or atheist's standpoint that collaborates together to point to them being Peter. Now you are correct here, the initial revulsion is of course the fact that the pope of all people is playing around with human bones regardless of who those bones really are. Though like I said, to a point I can understand the point that maybe Francis is just trying to add just yet another piece of proof to the mountain of proof for the Bible stories. That's okay by me. Then my real next uncomfortable factor is where he kinda makes an idol out of Peter which seems to me to be something even Peter wouldn't want done. Though even this can be forgiven as maybe misunderstanding on Francis or mine part. What then disturbed me was Francis response to critics where he is saying it doesn't matter to him personally whether its Peter or not, and more importantly, that he is trying to send a spiritual message with it. That spiritual message in my mind is that Francis is trying to shift the Rock which Jesus procalimed his church would be built upon. Now whether this is a shift for the good or for the bad, I cannot tell you that for certain, but I will say it certainly has made me watch Francis much more closely lol.
In regards to the Vatican Archives and historicity. It's not so much that I would say I have faith in their historical veracity so much as I would say I have faith that the catholic monks of old did not alter the MANY pieces of literature contained in the Archive. Heh even when I was an atheist and later a so-called protesteant one thing I quickly came to realize is that no one can deny the fact that the Vatican has one of the biggest repositories of knowledge in the current world and in time.
Now remember knowledge is just information. So even stuff like Homer's Odyssey which is merely Ancient Fiction, is knowledge. I do believe the monks faithfully preserved such knowledge as it was written. However that not saying you have to believe Homer's Odyssey is canon or anything. Because you have to remember Wisdom, and that is merely being able to discern what bits of knowledge are true or not true. So for example, a utilization of wisdom would show that Homer's Odyssey was faithfully copied by the Ancients and later the Catholics. A further utilization of wisdom would show that perhaps some Trojan War did occur in the ancient past, that Homer did in fact walk Earth. However wisdom also shows us that Homer romanticized the events therein with his own story and so the talk of the monsters, and odysseus adventure are in fact not true, but are merely a fun fictional poem written by an old greek poet. TO pretty much put it another way, the catholics of old aren't like telling you anything is true nor are they fabrication, the Odyssey, Roman Histories, the Bible or doing any of that. They are moreso just copyists and it is up to us to use Wisdom and Truth to determine what of the Ancients' writing is True or Not True. The Catholics didn't tell you what is True and what is Not True, they merely copied what the Ancients wrote for you to decide yourself.
Or to use a biblical example, we can deduce that the many books and letters of the Bible were in fact not invented by the Catholics but are in fact much older than even the so-called catholic church (we can prove this beyond a shadow of doubt from atheist standpoint too now thanks to Dead Sea Scrolls and other archaeological finds.) We can also then assert that the catholic monks did not defile the Biblical books, but instead tried their best to faithfully copy and translate them and preserve them from before and during the Dark Ages to Today. We can then use wisdom to deduce the people, places, events, etc. described inside the copied Bible books are factually real and thus give more and more supporting evidence that all seems to point to the fact that a lot of, if not all of the things, described in the Bible actually happened.
To sum it up it really kinda shows the double-edge sword of the vast entity that is called the Catholic Church. On one hand their political hierarchy seems to me to be their own biggest stumbling block to belief lol. Yet ironically thanks to some of their lowliest members the catholics have preserved for thousands of years some of the hardest fact and evidence for belief ever. Like I said I am not a Catholic, I am not striving to be a Catholic, I merely want to get better at being a Christian. I do though think that if you set aside the catholic Politics; that the catholic Christians have given us some of the greatest resources (being the vast library of knowledge plus translating the stuff therein) pretty much ever. From which if we as individuals can utilize Truth and Wisdom, we can learn and prove a lot about the Bible and History.
First I do want to state again, I am not a catholic nor ever been one now am I trying to become one.
Next, yes I do believe those bones are Peter's due to where they were found, the historical story behind them, the tomb being marked as Peter's, how they were found, the burial shroud stain, etc. all have pretty good evidence even from a secularist Christian or atheist's standpoint that collaborates together to point to them being Peter. Now you are correct here, the initial revulsion is of course the fact that the pope of all people is playing around with human bones regardless of who those bones really are. Though like I said, to a point I can understand the point that maybe Francis is just trying to add just yet another piece of proof to the mountain of proof for the Bible stories. That's okay by me. Then my real next uncomfortable factor is where he kinda makes an idol out of Peter which seems to me to be something even Peter wouldn't want done. Though even this can be forgiven as maybe misunderstanding on Francis or mine part. What then disturbed me was Francis response to critics where he is saying it doesn't matter to him personally whether its Peter or not, and more importantly, that he is trying to send a spiritual message with it. That spiritual message in my mind is that Francis is trying to shift the Rock which Jesus procalimed his church would be built upon. Now whether this is a shift for the good or for the bad, I cannot tell you that for certain, but I will say it certainly has made me watch Francis much more closely lol.
In regards to the Vatican Archives and historicity. It's not so much that I would say I have faith in their historical veracity so much as I would say I have faith that the catholic monks of old did not alter the MANY pieces of literature contained in the Archive. Heh even when I was an atheist and later a so-called protesteant one thing I quickly came to realize is that no one can deny the fact that the Vatican has one of the biggest repositories of knowledge in the current world and in time.
Now remember knowledge is just information. So even stuff like Homer's Odyssey which is merely Ancient Fiction, is knowledge. I do believe the monks faithfully preserved such knowledge as it was written. However that not saying you have to believe Homer's Odyssey is canon or anything. Because you have to remember Wisdom, and that is merely being able to discern what bits of knowledge are true or not true. So for example, a utilization of wisdom would show that Homer's Odyssey was faithfully copied by the Ancients and later the Catholics. A further utilization of wisdom would show that perhaps some Trojan War did occur in the ancient past, that Homer did in fact walk Earth. However wisdom also shows us that Homer romanticized the events therein with his own story and so the talk of the monsters, and odysseus adventure are in fact not true, but are merely a fun fictional poem written by an old greek poet. TO pretty much put it another way, the catholics of old aren't like telling you anything is true nor are they fabrication, the Odyssey, Roman Histories, the Bible or doing any of that. They are moreso just copyists and it is up to us to use Wisdom and Truth to determine what of the Ancients' writing is True or Not True. The Catholics didn't tell you what is True and what is Not True, they merely copied what the Ancients wrote for you to decide yourself.
Or to use a biblical example, we can deduce that the many books and letters of the Bible were in fact not invented by the Catholics but are in fact much older than even the so-called catholic church (we can prove this beyond a shadow of doubt from atheist standpoint too now thanks to Dead Sea Scrolls and other archaeological finds.) We can also then assert that the catholic monks did not defile the Biblical books, but instead tried their best to faithfully copy and translate them and preserve them from before and during the Dark Ages to Today. We can then use wisdom to deduce the people, places, events, etc. described inside the copied Bible books are factually real and thus give more and more supporting evidence that all seems to point to the fact that a lot of, if not all of the things, described in the Bible actually happened.
To sum it up it really kinda shows the double-edge sword of the vast entity that is called the Catholic Church. On one hand their political hierarchy seems to me to be their own biggest stumbling block to belief lol. Yet ironically thanks to some of their lowliest members the catholics have preserved for thousands of years some of the hardest fact and evidence for belief ever. Like I said I am not a Catholic, I am not striving to be a Catholic, I merely want to get better at being a Christian. I do though think that if you set aside the catholic Politics; that the catholic Christians have given us some of the greatest resources (being the vast library of knowledge plus translating the stuff therein) pretty much ever. From which if we as individuals can utilize Truth and Wisdom, we can learn and prove a lot about the Bible and History.
Well there are about a dozen other churches in Europe that claim to have the skull of Peter so there will never be a definitive determination made on the bones. I find it interesting that God took Moses and buried him where the Jews could never find his bones. God know the corrupt nature of men and how readily they will idolize objects.
Well the Catholic church is very secretive and protective about its history and activities. I do agree that the stuff that can be verified by third party sources is very useful. I would be really interesting to open the archives and see what all is really in there. The number of one only documents is likely astounding. Writings from the dark ages that have been preserved and held in secret alone would take decades to research.
Well I do not trust any of the Catholic churches doctrinal positions but they do have a treasure of history that mankind will hopefully one day benefit from. History will never disprove the bible but history can embarrass those who oppose the bible.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Well the Catholic church is very secretive and protective about its history and activities. I do agree that the stuff that can be verified by third party sources is very useful. I would be really interesting to open the archives and see what all is really in there. The number of one only documents is likely astounding. Writings from the dark ages that have been preserved and held in secret alone would take decades to research.
Well I do not trust any of the Catholic churches doctrinal positions but they do have a treasure of history that mankind will hopefully one day benefit from. History will never disprove the bible but history can embarrass those who oppose the bible.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
@Roger
I fully agree with you last statement especially on how History can't disprove the Bible but time and time again proves the many Bible books to in fact be true lol.
Also I really liked your input on Moses' burial and how that pretty much made it so corrupt men can't ever get his body. Never really thought of it like that. Very interesting perspective indeed!
As far as opening the Vatican Archives I did see a cool news story where apparantly the Vatican is teaming up with Oxford and is going to to allow some of their oldest manuscripts to be photographed, analyzed, and "digitized" and published publicly on the internet, which is a pretty cool win for the cause of academia.
Here's a link to the story (keep in mind this project is still underway and in fact just began so we might have to wait a little more time for some of the texts.)
Vatican, Bodleian libraries unite to put ancient texts, Bibles online - CNN.com
I fully agree with you last statement especially on how History can't disprove the Bible but time and time again proves the many Bible books to in fact be true lol.
Also I really liked your input on Moses' burial and how that pretty much made it so corrupt men can't ever get his body. Never really thought of it like that. Very interesting perspective indeed!
As far as opening the Vatican Archives I did see a cool news story where apparantly the Vatican is teaming up with Oxford and is going to to allow some of their oldest manuscripts to be photographed, analyzed, and "digitized" and published publicly on the internet, which is a pretty cool win for the cause of academia.
Here's a link to the story (keep in mind this project is still underway and in fact just began so we might have to wait a little more time for some of the texts.)
Vatican, Bodleian libraries unite to put ancient texts, Bibles online - CNN.com
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Re: everyone on this thread
*Groan*
The senseless claim above demotes Christian fellowship and unity. Claims like these cause instability and heat to flourish in debates and other conversational gatherings. I'm highly confident that you will avoid letting such sentences escape your thoughts in the future.
The Catholic church does indeed offer its members guidance and consolation regarding eternal life. Here is the Vatican's stance on the matter, taken from their official website:
1051 Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
1053 "We believe that the multitude of those gathered around Jesus and Mary in Paradise forms the Church of heaven, where in eternal blessedness they see God as he is and where they are also, to various degrees, associated with the holy angels in the divine governance exercised by Christ in glory, by interceding for us and helping our weakness by their fraternal concern" (Paul VI, CPG § 29).
1055 By virtue of the "communion of saints," the Church commends the dead to God's mercy and offers her prayers, especially the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist, on their behalf.
1056 Following the example of Christ, the Church warns the faithful of the "sad and lamentable reality of eternal death" (GCD 69), also called "hell."
1057 Hell's principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1058 The Church prays that no one should be lost: "Lord, let me never be parted from you." If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God "desires all men to be saved" (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him "all things are possible" (Mt 19:26).
1059 "The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ's tribunal to render an account of their own deeds".
By this snippet, it is apparent that the Catholic church is indeed ware of the afterlife and its parts. Thus, we may safely assume that the church would take steps to support its members through their trials and tribulations while they struggle in their earthly journeys.
Yes sir. Christ certainly died to help save souls. The apostolic church is meant to be the earthly part of God's heavenly kingdom. Just like like the angels in Heaven, we celebrate Jesus's life, death, and resurrection through ventures such as the Holy Eucharist.
The popes, priests, saints, martyrs, and other key figures in the church serve as leaders who maintain the integrity of the church. While they are mere mortals, they, just like the apostles, have the privilege and authority to lead the church.
Please show some more restraint when dealing with your fellow followers of Christ. Your contempt toward us will not go unnoticed.
We're the ones who oppose the bible?
[HR][/HR]
After spending considerable amounts of time debating with anti-Catholic Christians on Christianchat.com, I now realize that it is impossible for you folks to respect the Catholic faith. By my request, please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own.
God bless, everyone!
*Groan*
The senseless claim above demotes Christian fellowship and unity. Claims like these cause instability and heat to flourish in debates and other conversational gatherings. I'm highly confident that you will avoid letting such sentences escape your thoughts in the future.The Catholic church does indeed offer its members guidance and consolation regarding eternal life. Here is the Vatican's stance on the matter, taken from their official website:
1051 Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
1053 "We believe that the multitude of those gathered around Jesus and Mary in Paradise forms the Church of heaven, where in eternal blessedness they see God as he is and where they are also, to various degrees, associated with the holy angels in the divine governance exercised by Christ in glory, by interceding for us and helping our weakness by their fraternal concern" (Paul VI, CPG § 29).
1055 By virtue of the "communion of saints," the Church commends the dead to God's mercy and offers her prayers, especially the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist, on their behalf.
1056 Following the example of Christ, the Church warns the faithful of the "sad and lamentable reality of eternal death" (GCD 69), also called "hell."
1057 Hell's principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1058 The Church prays that no one should be lost: "Lord, let me never be parted from you." If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God "desires all men to be saved" (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him "all things are possible" (Mt 19:26).
1059 "The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ's tribunal to render an account of their own deeds".
By this snippet, it is apparent that the Catholic church is indeed ware of the afterlife and its parts. Thus, we may safely assume that the church would take steps to support its members through their trials and tribulations while they struggle in their earthly journeys.
Yes sir. Christ certainly died to help save souls. The apostolic church is meant to be the earthly part of God's heavenly kingdom. Just like like the angels in Heaven, we celebrate Jesus's life, death, and resurrection through ventures such as the Holy Eucharist.
The popes, priests, saints, martyrs, and other key figures in the church serve as leaders who maintain the integrity of the church. While they are mere mortals, they, just like the apostles, have the privilege and authority to lead the church.
Please show some more restraint when dealing with your fellow followers of Christ. Your contempt toward us will not go unnoticed.We're the ones who oppose the bible?
[HR][/HR]
After spending considerable amounts of time debating with anti-Catholic Christians on Christianchat.com, I now realize that it is impossible for you folks to respect the Catholic faith. By my request, please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own.
God bless, everyone!
Re: everyone on this thread
Your reply hold much interest in this post as the air of lack of respect from the boastful Catholics here is what inspired this post and has been substantiated here in these reply's. So now that you find yourself on unstable ground you try to turn the proverbial finger? Maybe the Catholics should "please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own"!
Your reply hold much interest in this post as the air of lack of respect from the boastful Catholics here is what inspired this post and has been substantiated here in these reply's. So now that you find yourself on unstable ground you try to turn the proverbial finger? Maybe the Catholics should "please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own"!
*Groan*
The senseless claim above demotes Christian fellowship and unity. Claims like these cause instability and heat to flourish in debates and other conversational gatherings. I'm highly confident that you will avoid letting such sentences escape your thoughts in the future.
The Catholic church does indeed offer its members guidance and consolation regarding eternal life. Here is the Vatican's stance on the matter, taken from their official website:
1051 Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
1053 "We believe that the multitude of those gathered around Jesus and Mary in Paradise forms the Church of heaven, where in eternal blessedness they see God as he is and where they are also, to various degrees, associated with the holy angels in the divine governance exercised by Christ in glory, by interceding for us and helping our weakness by their fraternal concern" (Paul VI, CPG § 29).
1055 By virtue of the "communion of saints," the Church commends the dead to God's mercy and offers her prayers, especially the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist, on their behalf.
1056 Following the example of Christ, the Church warns the faithful of the "sad and lamentable reality of eternal death" (GCD 69), also called "hell."
1057 Hell's principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1058 The Church prays that no one should be lost: "Lord, let me never be parted from you." If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God "desires all men to be saved" (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him "all things are possible" (Mt 19:26).
1059 "The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ's tribunal to render an account of their own deeds".
By this snippet, it is apparent that the Catholic church is indeed ware of the afterlife and its parts. Thus, we may safely assume that the church would take steps to support its members through their trials and tribulations while they struggle in their earthly journeys.
Yes sir. Christ certainly died to help save souls. The apostolic church is meant to be the earthly part of God's heavenly kingdom. Just like like the angels in Heaven, we celebrate Jesus's life, death, and resurrection through ventures such as the Holy Eucharist.
The popes, priests, saints, martyrs, and other key figures in the church serve as leaders who maintain the integrity of the church. While they are mere mortals, they, just like the apostles, have the privilege and authority to lead the church.
Please show some more restraint when dealing with your fellow followers of Christ. Your contempt toward us will not go unnoticed.
We're the ones who oppose the bible?
[HR][/HR]
After spending considerable amounts of time debating with anti-Catholic Christians on Christianchat.com, I now realize that it is impossible for you folks to respect the Catholic faith. By my request, please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own.
God bless, everyone!
The senseless claim above demotes Christian fellowship and unity. Claims like these cause instability and heat to flourish in debates and other conversational gatherings. I'm highly confident that you will avoid letting such sentences escape your thoughts in the future.The Catholic church does indeed offer its members guidance and consolation regarding eternal life. Here is the Vatican's stance on the matter, taken from their official website:
1051 Every man receives his eternal recompense in his immortal soul from the moment of his death in a particular judgment by Christ, the judge of the living and the dead.
1053 "We believe that the multitude of those gathered around Jesus and Mary in Paradise forms the Church of heaven, where in eternal blessedness they see God as he is and where they are also, to various degrees, associated with the holy angels in the divine governance exercised by Christ in glory, by interceding for us and helping our weakness by their fraternal concern" (Paul VI, CPG § 29).
1055 By virtue of the "communion of saints," the Church commends the dead to God's mercy and offers her prayers, especially the holy sacrifice of the Eucharist, on their behalf.
1056 Following the example of Christ, the Church warns the faithful of the "sad and lamentable reality of eternal death" (GCD 69), also called "hell."
1057 Hell's principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
1058 The Church prays that no one should be lost: "Lord, let me never be parted from you." If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God "desires all men to be saved" (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him "all things are possible" (Mt 19:26).
1059 "The holy Roman Church firmly believes and confesses that on the Day of Judgment all men will appear in their own bodies before Christ's tribunal to render an account of their own deeds".
By this snippet, it is apparent that the Catholic church is indeed ware of the afterlife and its parts. Thus, we may safely assume that the church would take steps to support its members through their trials and tribulations while they struggle in their earthly journeys.
Yes sir. Christ certainly died to help save souls. The apostolic church is meant to be the earthly part of God's heavenly kingdom. Just like like the angels in Heaven, we celebrate Jesus's life, death, and resurrection through ventures such as the Holy Eucharist.
The popes, priests, saints, martyrs, and other key figures in the church serve as leaders who maintain the integrity of the church. While they are mere mortals, they, just like the apostles, have the privilege and authority to lead the church.
Please show some more restraint when dealing with your fellow followers of Christ. Your contempt toward us will not go unnoticed.We're the ones who oppose the bible?
[HR][/HR]
After spending considerable amounts of time debating with anti-Catholic Christians on Christianchat.com, I now realize that it is impossible for you folks to respect the Catholic faith. By my request, please train yourself to at least respect our right to have beliefs, traditions, and principles that differ from your own.
God bless, everyone!
P
And destructive criticism is exactly what ungodly religion should get. Catholics, muslims, literal jews, are all embracing doctrine the bible directly teaches against. Against God's word is the path to hell. Everyone that is a believer should stand against blasphemy. We all should proselytize one that we know to be on the wrong path.
I have made the offer, and it still stands, that if someone wants to go over catholic doctrine I will gladly do that. I have an official catholic doctrine book, a douay rheims bible, and we can go right down the list.
Would anyone like to debate me? I will rely solely on the KJV, as I believe in sola scriptura. Either you believe the bible is God's word, or you don't. If you do, it will convict heretical doctrine.
So, is Paul an apostle of Christ, or messenger of satan?
If you believe Paul is an apostle of Christ, his words alone will destroy those apostate doctrines.
I have made the offer, and it still stands, that if someone wants to go over catholic doctrine I will gladly do that. I have an official catholic doctrine book, a douay rheims bible, and we can go right down the list.
Would anyone like to debate me? I will rely solely on the KJV, as I believe in sola scriptura. Either you believe the bible is God's word, or you don't. If you do, it will convict heretical doctrine.
So, is Paul an apostle of Christ, or messenger of satan?
If you believe Paul is an apostle of Christ, his words alone will destroy those apostate doctrines.
could you please explain Jeremiah 8:8 (Keeping in mind that I am not Catholic) as to what the scribes were copying and why? or how any practicing group of believers can claim to have it right when the promised evidences have not metabolized. Ain't none of us with any right to brag right up to this minute in this day. If there is going to be a true group of followers it has to start today, for yesteryear blew it and as of yesterday, nothing has yet changed.