a general reply to the Catholics
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We cannot afford to become bitter towards those outside the body of Christ. They are simply wandering in darkness as were we before we came to Christ.
Catholic people as a whole are not intentionally doing evil things. Many have been misled and misinformed most of their life from the leaders in the church they trust. It is not easy for a catholic to see the church as in error. I do not see how relating the catholic church to Hitler is particularly beneficial or constructive.
Our focus must be on Christ and not on men in any religion. Only Jesus can save a soul and only Jesus can open the eyes of the blind. Remember we were in the same situation before we were saved. Perhaps some were even worse.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Catholic people as a whole are not intentionally doing evil things. Many have been misled and misinformed most of their life from the leaders in the church they trust. It is not easy for a catholic to see the church as in error. I do not see how relating the catholic church to Hitler is particularly beneficial or constructive.
Our focus must be on Christ and not on men in any religion. Only Jesus can save a soul and only Jesus can open the eyes of the blind. Remember we were in the same situation before we were saved. Perhaps some were even worse.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I agree with everything except: "only Jesus can open the eyes of the blind". There is no verse to support this part of your statement if you are intending to link the Lord's actually healing eye's to the lord dismissing free will to open one's acceptance of the truth. Blinder are held in place by man not God!
I know a church up in Northern Australia that came to an agreement with a Catholic church in their area. They agreed with the broken people who come to Christ that that Catholic church attended to their physical needs (food water clothing and shelter) because their is a great issue with all forms of brokeness n poverty and they had the resources to do so and the other church looked after their spiritual needs. As far as I heard, it worked out very well.
A beautiful example of the body of Christ working together.
A beautiful example of the body of Christ working together.
Men are dead in their trespasses and sins. They cannot see Spiritually speaking. Only the Lord can give the Light necessary for them to see their need of redemption and then the means of that redemption. This He freely does to everyman but many turn from the light back to the darkness. John 3:16-20
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The NIV and a few other translations translate the Greek word for FLESH as "SINFUL NATURE" in some places (due to a theological bias). The actual Greek word is SARX and it literally means the meat on the bones. When Paul writes about the lusts of the flesh he is speaking of the natural passions and desires of the human body. There is nothing sinful about those natural passions and desires, sin is when those desires are fulfilled unlawfully outside the bounds set by God. Hence the flesh "tempts" or "allures" us to sin. Sin ALWAYS involves choice which is why God holds us accountable for our deeds.
Sin as a nature can be found in Eph 2:3 where the Greek word PHUSIS is used which means GROWTH and the context is in regards as to how a "nature to sin" is acquired through habitual repetition over time. Modern science also supports this because we know that habitual behaviours physically imprint the brain forming neurotransmitter pathways via the mechanism of stimulating chemicals like dopamine. One reason that sinning is highly addictive is that it brings comfort to sinners in the sense that their brains have adapted to being stimulated in a certain way.
The notion that human beings are "born" with a sin nature that compels them to sin is very dangerous because it basically shifts the blame for one's rebellion to God from a "choice made" to a "birth defect." If one approaches God truly believing that their rebellion was the result of a birth defect, and therefore not truly their fault, then they will never approach God with a TRUE heart like the Bible teaches in Heb 10:19.
Think about it.
Sin as a nature can be found in Eph 2:3 where the Greek word PHUSIS is used which means GROWTH and the context is in regards as to how a "nature to sin" is acquired through habitual repetition over time. Modern science also supports this because we know that habitual behaviours physically imprint the brain forming neurotransmitter pathways via the mechanism of stimulating chemicals like dopamine. One reason that sinning is highly addictive is that it brings comfort to sinners in the sense that their brains have adapted to being stimulated in a certain way.
The notion that human beings are "born" with a sin nature that compels them to sin is very dangerous because it basically shifts the blame for one's rebellion to God from a "choice made" to a "birth defect." If one approaches God truly believing that their rebellion was the result of a birth defect, and therefore not truly their fault, then they will never approach God with a TRUE heart like the Bible teaches in Heb 10:19.
Think about it.
A dead man can see their need to be made alive.
Jesus taught this in the parable of the Prodigal Son when the son came to himself whilst he was still in the pig pen. He came to realise his wretched state, what he had done and what he needed to do. He then made the choice to go and do it.
It's all very simple if we will just let the Bible speak plainly as if to children.
Jesus taught this in the parable of the Prodigal Son when the son came to himself whilst he was still in the pig pen. He came to realise his wretched state, what he had done and what he needed to do. He then made the choice to go and do it.
It's all very simple if we will just let the Bible speak plainly as if to children.
T
@Woodartdon
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.
Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR] Eh? What say you?
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR]
Eh? What say you?
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@Woodartdon
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.
Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR] Eh? What say you?
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR]
Eh? What say you?
Where does it say I should honor mary as mother of God except it being a tradition if men?
T
@Breno785au
Hello.
The gospel according to good old Luke 1:46-48 [SUP]46[/SUP]Then Mary said:
In Luke 1:30, the angel told Mary that she is favored by God.
The virgin Mary is favored by the Lord himself, so we Catholics believe that we have a better chance of receiving God's grace for our daily needs if we ask the virgin Mary to pray to him on our behalf.
Keep in mind, Brenuo785au: Praying to Jesus Christ through Mary and the other saints does not in any way downgrade Jesus's role as the sole mediator between God and man! Like I said in post #108, the Hail Mary prayer, although addressed to Mary herself, is ultimately giving Jesus honor as well.
All of our prayers to the saints give honor to Jesus Christ in some way, so it is inaccurate to suggest that we ignore Jesus when we call upon the saints for aid.
Praying to Jesus directly isn't bad at all, but connecting with him and only with him would be to completely ignore the rest of our family up in Heaven!
Hello.
- 'Mary' is capitalized!!
- Of course we should honor her as the mother of God! Read this bible passage:
The gospel according to good old Luke 1:46-48 [SUP]46[/SUP]Then Mary said:
"My being proclaims the greatness of the Lord,
My spirit finds joy in God my savior,
For he has looked upon his servant in her lowliness
All ages to come shall call me blessed.
Examine the last line! If all ages (including this one) shall call Mary blessed, then, even today, she must have significance in God's divine plan for us!For he has looked upon his servant in her lowliness
All ages to come shall call me blessed.
In Luke 1:30, the angel told Mary that she is favored by God.
The virgin Mary is favored by the Lord himself, so we Catholics believe that we have a better chance of receiving God's grace for our daily needs if we ask the virgin Mary to pray to him on our behalf.
Keep in mind, Brenuo785au: Praying to Jesus Christ through Mary and the other saints does not in any way downgrade Jesus's role as the sole mediator between God and man! Like I said in post #108, the Hail Mary prayer, although addressed to Mary herself, is ultimately giving Jesus honor as well.
All of our prayers to the saints give honor to Jesus Christ in some way, so it is inaccurate to suggest that we ignore Jesus when we call upon the saints for aid.
Praying to Jesus directly isn't bad at all, but connecting with him and only with him would be to completely ignore the rest of our family up in Heaven!
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@Breno785au
Hello.
The gospel according to good old Luke 1:46-48 [SUP]46[/SUP]Then Mary said:
In Luke 1:30, the angel told Mary that she is favored by God.
The virgin Mary is favored by the Lord himself, so we Catholics believe that we have a better chance of receiving God's grace for our daily needs if we ask the virgin Mary to pray to him on our behalf.
Keep in mind, Brenuo785au: Praying to Jesus Christ through Mary and the other saints does not in any way downgrade Jesus's role as the sole mediator between God and man! Like I said in post #108, the Hail Mary prayer, although addressed to Mary herself, is ultimately giving Jesus honor as well.
All of our prayers to the saints give honor to Jesus Christ in some way, so it is inaccurate to suggest that we ignore Jesus when we call upon the saints for aid.
Praying to Jesus directly isn't bad at all, but connecting with him and only with him would be to completely ignore the rest of our family up in Heaven!
Hello.
- 'Mary' is capitalized!!
- Of course we should honor her as the mother of God! Read this bible passage:
The gospel according to good old Luke 1:46-48 [SUP]46[/SUP]Then Mary said:
"My being proclaims the greatness of the Lord,
My spirit finds joy in God my savior,
For he has looked upon his servant in her lowliness
All ages to come shall call me blessed.
Examine the last line! If all ages (including this one) shall call Mary blessed, then, even today, she must have significance in God's divine plan for us!For he has looked upon his servant in her lowliness
All ages to come shall call me blessed.
In Luke 1:30, the angel told Mary that she is favored by God.
The virgin Mary is favored by the Lord himself, so we Catholics believe that we have a better chance of receiving God's grace for our daily needs if we ask the virgin Mary to pray to him on our behalf.
Keep in mind, Brenuo785au: Praying to Jesus Christ through Mary and the other saints does not in any way downgrade Jesus's role as the sole mediator between God and man! Like I said in post #108, the Hail Mary prayer, although addressed to Mary herself, is ultimately giving Jesus honor as well.
All of our prayers to the saints give honor to Jesus Christ in some way, so it is inaccurate to suggest that we ignore Jesus when we call upon the saints for aid.
Praying to Jesus directly isn't bad at all, but connecting with him and only with him would be to completely ignore the rest of our family up in Heaven!
You said you have a better chance at receiving Gods grace if you pray thru Mary. - We don't need to twist Gods arm for grace, it's freely given
Really, that is the best you've got to support such drastic indoctrination of faith! Really! I do count her as blessed by God. So are you saying, we should pray through each and every person bless by God? Adding to the word is sin
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Sorry, I was on my phone when I replied to your quote, so capitalisation is used only when necessary, it's grammatical.
You said you have a better chance at receiving Gods grace if you pray thru Mary. - We don't need to twist Gods arm for grace, it's freely given
You said you have a better chance at receiving Gods grace if you pray thru Mary. - We don't need to twist Gods arm for grace, it's freely given
You seem to be confused with the progression of this post, might I suggest you re-read he whole of the post that you might get your head in order with the points. Your defensive posture of circles get repetitive at best. Now you are trying to argue "it is not so bad" rather then proving the facts.
@Woodartdon
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.
Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR] Eh? What say you?
*sigh* The internet is a hub for misunderstood folks. It'll be better if we can talk face to face. Being able to see each other's body language will help a lot.Sir, the only time which I openly attacked your faith was in the 'Is your church the true church?' thread. I don't remember showing open disrespect to your beliefs in the debates we participated in. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Preacha24_7
For the last time, we don't pray to Mary. We pray to Jesus Christ through Mary.
Lets examine the Hail Mary prayer:
"Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed are you among woman, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, mother of God. Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, Amen."
In this prayer, we're saying that Jesus is blessed, so the virgin Mary isn't the only one we're honoring with the Hail Mary prayer.
While our prayers may be addressed directly to Mary, it is ultimately Jesus to whom our love goes.
It wouldn't be wise for us to underestimate the virgin Mary. Being Christians, we ought to respect her exclusive title as the mother of God.
[HR][/HR]
Eh? What say you?
Please By All Means, If You Have Something Against A Certain Religion, It Is Best That You Keep It To Yourself. We Do Not Need Thread Pitting One Denomination Against Another. All This Is Going To Do Is Cause A Ruckus In Which We Definitely Do Not Want. We Do Not Need To Be Pitting Catholics Against Protestants for God Commands Us To Love And Not Hate.
True! The history tell which denomination largely spat (or spit) on those who wanted to seek GOD and not men's teaching. I can say what church as called evangelicals " a sect"... That sectarism was acknowledge before -and during- Jesus' life time. Later on, more religions appeared. although HInduism seems to be older... Protestants, Catholics... and all need the same salvation.
We cannot be saved alone, without GOD.
We cannot be saved alone, without GOD.