Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Cameron143

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Only because I was once a tulipist too, but I had sufficient desire to learn GW that overcame the error I had been taught,
and I do not sense that y'all share sufficient MFW to overcome your brainwashing--but I hope I am wrong.
This won't promote unity.
 
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The inability is self evident.
Not to those who do not have eyes to see. Giving a range of valid applicable meaning is fully acceptable
to them except when it contradicts their man made traditions/doctrine, and vain man exalting philosophies
which they cling to regardless of how much they contradict what the Bible explicitly articulates.
 
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Because for all you say about how you desire unity, you are only really interested in promoting what you believe and not in learning why people believe as they do.
Cam, the whole purpose of studying Scripture is learning why we should amend our beliefs to conform to GW,
which I did with respect to OSAS. I cannot help it if y'all deny what the three passages that were suggested
did not support tulipism. God can lead humans to water, but He does not make them drink.
 
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Because I am never edified in discussions with you.
Because you are unwilling to drink GW, whereas I have been edified by our discussions, most recently by being prompted to realize that IF is the fulcrum of faith, because on the one hand/end it indicates MFW and on the other end it signifies the condition of salvation.
 

Cameron143

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Cam, the whole purpose of studying Scripture is learning why we should amend our beliefs to conform to GW,
which I did with respect to OSAS. I cannot help it if y'all deny what the three passages that were suggested
did not support tulipism. God can lead humans to water, but He does not make them drink.
Some people learn and some people merely conform scripture to own beliefs. Only one is actually learning.
 

Cameron143

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Because you are unwilling to drink GW, whereas I have been edified by our discussions, most recently by being prompted to realize that IF is the fulcrum of faith, because on the one hand/end it indicates MFW and on the other end it signifies the condition of salvation.
This is a good example. There is no if in faith. One either believes or they do not. The source of faith is not the individual, but the Spirit of God employing the word of God.
 
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Some people learn and some people merely conform scripture to own beliefs. Only one is actually learning.
So cite something you have learned from CC discussions.
Another example I will share is that I was prompted to specify/clarify that good works are also a form of faith as follows:

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime.

A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
 

Cameron143

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So cite something you have learned from CC discussions.
Another example I will share is that I was prompted to specify/clarify that good works are also a form of faith as follows:

The distinction between kerygma and didache involves a difference in content and purpose. The kerygma proclaims GRFS, which calls for repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord, which is an all or nothing decision that occurs at one moment in time. The didache teaches God’s will regarding how saints or those who have been saved should live in order to be a good witness for Christ, which involves learning more of God’s Word throughout one’s lifetime.

A passage teaching this truth is Colossians 2:6-7: “Just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord [kerygma], continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught [didache].” There is no qualitative difference between faith that accepts God’s saving grace at conversion and faith that accepts God’s working grace while walking/living (Eph. 2:8-10, 2Cor. 5:7, Rom. 1:17), but only a quantitative difference as each additional moment passes–and of course faith remains non-meritorious during the saint’s entire lifetime.
No thanks.
 
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This is a good example. There is no if in faith. One either believes or they do not. The
source of faith is not the individual, but the Spirit of God employing the word of God.
In the vain unBiblical doctrine of man-exalting free will theology, the person who Scripture says
can neither receive nor accept nor comprehend the gospel, receives, accepts, and understands it.
 
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Very distasteful! Even though we disagree on many things, I viewed you above such stabs.
I apologize for coming across as distasteful. I thought that I was being very sympathetic,
because I realize that we all have a cross to bear, and previously I had jokingly ascribed her antagonism
to having the proverbial "bad hair day".

Not sure if you are aware that previously I apologized for getting crosswise and asked her to tell me
when I crossed a line, but she was unforgiving.

Thanks for the reproof, and I will keep trying to be better,
as I forgive everyone who has persecuted me on CC.
 

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The inability is self evident.
Conflating again, the inability to save oneself (the point of the story) with the inability to receive the salvation.
I did not read regeneration first in the story?

Keep over analyzing the story that always goes really well, I mean did the Good Samaritan talk to the man, so we can therefore assume no Gospel needs to be shared.

If we are going to perform eisegesis, TULIP's god is the un-loving one Jesus describes – the one who passes over the man bleeding and dying on the Jericho road.
 
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TULIP's god is the un-loving one Jesus describes – the one who passes over the man bleeding and dying on the Jericho road.
Yours is the god who is unfair, an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will.

How many times have you claimed God was unfair???

For doing the very thing Scripture plainly shows.
 

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We don't need analogies. We have the Bible. Tell me about the man in the story of the Good Samaritan. Did he reach out?
Aaahhhh yea, the parables were long drawn out metaphorical missives meant as PROOFS of DEEP underlying spiritual realities.

PROOFS of what really is true about God and how He deals with men.
 

cv5

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Yours is the god who is unfair, an unjust tyrannical monster kidnapping people against their will.

How many times have you claimed God was unfair???

For doing the very thing Scripture plainly shows.
Is that the desperation play now?
Accuse and condemn the free willers for the very things that the super-determinists believe and promote?

That's it? That is where you are going?
I have to say.........you and your ilk have hit rock bottom.
 

Cameron143

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Conflating again, the inability to save oneself (the point of the story) with the inability to receive the salvation.
I did not read regeneration first in the story?

Keep over analyzing the story that always goes really well, I mean did the Good Samaritan talk to the man, so we can therefore assume no Gospel needs to be shared.

If we are going to perform eisegesis, TULIP's god is the un-loving one Jesus describes – the one who passes over the man bleeding and dying on the Jericho road.
Nothing about regeneration in the story. Your mathematical skills are coming through.

The reason Jesus told so many parables is because some subjects are complex and Jesus breaks down the doctrines into bite sized morsels. Every story doesn't tell the whole story, but every lesson does add to our understanding. That's how you should be mathing.