here is the PRO-Hillary thread....

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It really seems people were happier back then.... IDK how he managed it as the first black president, but 0 really divided this nation....
I think the division started with Bush really for lying to get us involved in Iraq. Obama merely deepened that schism and then caused further divisions.
 
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Is it any good? I've never heard of it...so would like to know if its worth watching....I watched "the man in the high castle" from amazon and it was interesting...
Do you know how close that series was to reality? Scary man!....

It's a great show... but also very crass in language and some nudity.... so you have to consider that. I think for those of us who simply can not trust ANY politician it a great look into how it probably really goes down in Washington.... the greed is incredible along with very other sin imaginable... A place I want to stay far far away from!
 
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I think the division started with Bush really for lying to get us involved in Iraq. Obama merely deepened that schism and then caused further divisions.
what lie may I say he commited?

we were divided al the way back to reagan, and even before.
 
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I think the division started with Bush really for lying to get us involved in Iraq. Obama merely deepened that schism and then caused further divisions.
I can't believe he was fooled like that... As a Christian man he really should have known better than to blindly trust people he obviously knew where in it for their own greedy reasons...

My original comment was more race related though... in the south, all we have done is backslide it's sad to me...
 
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what lie may I say he commited?

we were divided al the way back to reagan, and even before.
Lied about WMDs. Thought everyone knew that though I understand certain GOPers and segments of the society like to pretend otherwise. A major point in Trump's favor for calling it like it is despite tremendous pressure from the fallen GOP establishment to kowtow to the Iraq lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ
[video=youtube;H4ThZcq1oJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ[/video]
 
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I can't believe he was fooled like that... As a Christian man he really should have known better than to blindly trust people he obviously knew where in it for their own greedy reasons...

My original comment was more race related though... in the south, all we have done is backslide it's sad to me...
Well he wasn't fooled, he lied to us. He fooled us, even I was fooled by it though I was child then. The result was the death of thousands of our people, maiming of more, psychologically messing up millions, and destroying untold numbers their people, the collapse of the fragile post-Cold War world order, economic disaster, and the seeds sown for WW3 which we're reaping right now.

Bush's name is mud to this generation, you can bank on that.
 
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It really seems people were happier back then.... IDK how he managed it as the first black president, but 0 really divided this nation....
budget surplus, low gas price, it/web sector burgeoning,

after bush = more debt, waste of money on wars, more middle class squeezed into poor while rich get richer

obama= more homo laws, more debt, more racial instability, more gun laws, screwed up healthcare the only sector of the economy still breathing is now on the ventilator....
 
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Well he wasn't fooled, he lied to us. He fooled us, even I was fooled by it though I was child then. The result was the death of thousands of our people, maiming of more, psychologically messing up millions, and destroying untold numbers their people, the collapse of the fragile post-Cold War world order, economic disaster, and the seeds sown for WW3 which we're reaping right now.

Bush's name is mud to this generation, you can bank on that.
amen to that bush = toilet paper
 
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budget surplus, low gas price, it/web sector burgeoning,

after bush = more debt, waste of money on wars, more middle class squeezed into poor while rich get richer

obama= more homo laws, more debt, more racial instability, more gun laws, screwed up healthcare the only sector of the economy still breathing is now on the ventilator....
Lol I have to ask, have you ever to America sir Ultimatum? You have pretty good grasp of it for someone that is not American.
 
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Lol I have to ask, have you ever to America sir Ultimatum? You have pretty good grasp of it for someone that is not American.
Let's just say I'm "awake" I'll pm you ...;)
 
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Lied about WMDs. Thought everyone knew that though I understand certain GOPers and segments of the society like to pretend otherwise. A major point in Trump's favor for calling it like it is despite tremendous pressure from the fallen GOP establishment to kowtow to the Iraq lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ
[video=youtube;H4ThZcq1oJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ[/video]
Oh he did?

Bush did not lie.

Bush gave Iraq an ultimatum, Let the inspectors in, or we will use military force. (he had to give it a few times, because the UN and congress made him stop)

If bush did not go in, His word would mean nothing,

Like clinton, and obama,, Hey,, ;ets send in a few misiles that will get them to listen....Or lets tell them we will remove our troups,,

Yeah, thats why the United states how no power. everyone knows we will not do what we say, Only reagan and bush dd what they promised they would do.

either way,

Iraq Gave bush the finger, Bush did what the UN refused to do.

I love the propaganda machine people love to believe

Oh by the way, Since we had to WAIT for the UN, and could not go into iraq when nush wanted, Sadaam had ample time to remove his stocks of WMDs, In fact, after the ground war, Sadaam used them on his own people. In Fact, Today, Syria is using alot of them on their own people.

People need to stop listening to the mainstream press. They are not telling yout the truth.
 
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Lied about WMDs. Thought everyone knew that though I understand certain GOPers and segments of the society like to pretend otherwise. A major point in Trump's favor for calling it like it is despite tremendous pressure from the fallen GOP establishment to kowtow to the Iraq lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ
[video=youtube;H4ThZcq1oJQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ThZcq1oJQ[/video]
so you were what, 15 when all those things happens?

I pray you do not go to people like trump for your sources. Trump will say anything to help his case.
 
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so you were what, 15 when all those things happens?

I pray you do not go to people like trump for your sources. Trump will say anything to help his case.
With all due respect, GodisSalvation has it right, none of the hijackers were iraqis all saudis...yet saudi arabia is still around....
 
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With all due respect, GodisSalvation has it right, none of the hijackers were iraqis all saudis...yet saudi arabia is still around....
Thtas not why we went into IRAQ Thats why we went into afghanistan.

So no. GodisSalvation is not right.
 
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Thtas not why we went into IRAQ Thats why we went into afghanistan.

So no. GodisSalvation is not right.
You accuse Godissalvation of listening to the mainstream media but the narrative/reason for the wars were lies to begin with from the mainstream media....do the research...you have been misled by the media ...if you want ask user Spherical about the real reasons, as he also knows why....all I can say is both countries were for natural resources and not bs terrorism....I'll leave it at that...
 
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Oh he did?

Bush did not lie.

Bush gave Iraq an ultimatum, Let the inspectors in, or we will use military force. (he had to give it a few times, because the UN and congress made him stop)

If bush did not go in, His word would mean nothing,

Like clinton, and obama,, Hey,, ;ets send in a few misiles that will get them to listen....Or lets tell them we will remove our troups,,

Yeah, thats why the United states how no power. everyone knows we will not do what we say, Only reagan and bush dd what they promised they would do.

either way,

Iraq Gave bush the finger, Bush did what the UN refused to do.

I love the propaganda machine people love to believe

Oh by the way, Since we had to WAIT for the UN, and could not go into iraq when nush wanted, Sadaam had ample time to remove his stocks of WMDs, In fact, after the ground war, Sadaam used them on his own people. In Fact, Today, Syria is using alot of them on their own people.

People need to stop listening to the mainstream press. They are not telling yout the truth.
Is it because they found nothing and were told by the UN that there was nothing that Bush's word meant nothing? For this reason of his lie to go to war no one believes anything America says anymore, and that's why the word of America means nothing. Not only were the direct effects of the Iraq War a catastrophe, but this one lie totally undermined all confidence in America for an entire generation. They even think 9/11 was an inside job (to note I do not) because of this, even a significant amount of our own military. People even think we created the Islamic State because of this. An entire generation will never believe anything America says for the rest of their lives because of Bush's lies even if they are shown the truth and all proof.

Biggest failure of the 21st century so far.
 
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Thtas not why we went into IRAQ Thats why we went into afghanistan.

So no. GodisSalvation is not right.
Please read this article if you have time....you may be shocked but it is good to know about...this american economist is very well respected and has good info...it won't talk per se about the wars but gives you some background on 911 and things under the radar so to speak...

9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold
 
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Please read this article if you have time....you may be shocked but it is good to know about...this american economist is very well respected and has good info...it won't talk per se about the wars but gives you some background on 9-11 and things under the radar so to speak...

9/11 Memory: Fascism & Gold

Please. You said with all due respect. So please give me and my brothers who were killed in that war some respect.

I lived it, I watched very closely. I was about to go to war. (I am currently medically retired because of the way) I saw what President bush said, I saw what Saddam Hussein did, I saw president bush give Saddam the ultimatum, And I saw iraq give him the finger..

Bush may have fought the war wrong,, and made some mistakes we are paying for even today..

But he did not go to war for the reason these left wing anti - bush fanatics ant you to believe

He did not go for Oil, He did not take down the world trade center He did not go for WMD's (Without reason)

Bish said, If you do not let the UN inspetors in, and give them unfettered access to all areas. WE WILL USE MILITARY FORCE.

I watched him say it,

He did not let them in, and after a few weeks BUSH BACKED HIS WORDS..

I give him respect for that.. We have not had a president since that would do that..
 
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You accuse Godissalvation of listening to the mainstream media but the narrative/reason for the wars were lies to begin with from the mainstream media....do the research...you have been misled by the media ...if you want ask user Spherical about the real reasons, as he also knows why....all I can say is both countries were for natural resources and not bs terrorism....I'll leave it at that...
dude I was there,,

Next.
 
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Is it because they found nothing and were told by the UN that there was nothing that Bush's word meant nothing? For this reason of his lie to go to war no one believes anything America says anymore, and that's why the word of America means nothing. Not only were the direct effects of the Iraq War a catastrophe, but this one lie totally undermined all confidence in America for an entire generation. They even think 9/11 was an inside job (to note I do not) because of this, even a significant amount of our own military. People even think we created the Islamic State because of this. An entire generation will never believe anything America says for the rest of their lives because of Bush's lies even if they are shown the truth and all proof.

Biggest failure of the 21st century so far.

why did they find nothing?

becaus ehe had nothing, or we gave him time to get rid of them (most people KNOW he sent them all to Syria before we went in, We even have satellite photoes of the trucks he used to do so)

Where did Saddam get the WMD's to use against Iran, Where did he get them to use against his people which caused the us to enforce a no fly zone, because he murdered thousands of his people with nerve gas.

If bush was allowed to go in when he wanted, they would have found these wmds, We because we are weak at heart, gave Saddam weeks to move them all


again, I WAS THERE.. please respect that!