How many "comings" of Jesus after the advent?

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There's a lot of doctrine placing the rapture of the church at different time frames around the tribulation.
In the post tribulation rapture doctrine, as well as ,the post wrath rapture doctrine, they Have a cornerstone of one Singular coming of Jesus.

My question is, how do they figure that there is one coming, when we see several comings of the Lord Jesus, in scripture?

We see 2 in Matthew chapter 24, and we see one in Matthew 25, we see one in acts chapter one, we see 1 in revelation 14, we see 1 in first. Thess chapter 4, and we see one in revelation, chapter 19.
So the Obvious question is, how do they fit all those Into 1 coming?
 
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There's a lot of doctrine placing the rapture of the church at different time frames around the tribulation.
In the post tribulation rapture doctrine, as well as ,the post wrath rapture doctrine, they Have a cornerstone of one Singular coming of Jesus.

My question is, how do they figure that there is one coming, when we see several comings of the Lord Jesus, in scripture?

We see 2 in Matthew chapter 24, and we see one in Matthew 25, we see one in acts chapter one, we see 1 in revelation 14, we see 1 in first. Thess chapter 4, and we see one in revelation, chapter 19.
So the Obvious question is, how do they fit all those Into 1 coming?
When you say they have a doctrine of one coming, what are we talking about exactly? The rapture and the Lord's second coming happening at the same time, or something else?
 

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One resurrection the weekend Christ crucified

One resurrection and rapture in the tribulation

Lord returns to earth at end of Tribulation----no rapture and no resurrection

One resurrection at the end of 1000 year reign of Christ--after 8 days
 
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There's a lot of doctrine placing the rapture of the church at different time frames around the tribulation.
In the post tribulation rapture doctrine, as well as ,the post wrath rapture doctrine, they Have a cornerstone of one Singular coming of Jesus.

My question is, how do they figure that there is one coming, when we see several comings of the Lord Jesus, in scripture?

We see 2 in Matthew chapter 24, and we see one in Matthew 25, we see one in acts chapter one, we see 1 in revelation 14, we see 1 in first. Thess chapter 4, and we see one in revelation, chapter 19.
So the Obvious question is, how do they fit all those Into 1 coming?
Why don't you quote the verses so we can know what you're talking about
 

Omegatime

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One resurrection the weekend Christ crucified---Mat.27:52 and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many

One resurrection and rapture in the tribulation-Rev 14:14--Reaping of the earth

Lord returns to earth at end of Tribulation----no rapture and no resurrection-------------Zech. 14:
6 On that day there shall be neither cold nor frost.[c] 7 And there shall be continuous day (it is known to the Lord), not day and not night, for at evening time there shall be light.
8 On that day living waters shall flow out from Jerusalem, half of them to the eastern sea and half of them to the western sea; it shall continue in summer as in winter.
9 And the Lord will become king over all the earth; on that day the Lord will be one and his name one.


One resurrection at the end of 1000 year reign of Christ--after 8 days
--------Luke said about 8 days, not 6 days when referring to the Transfiguration
 
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There's a lot of doctrine placing the rapture of the church at different time frames around the tribulation.
In the post tribulation rapture doctrine, as well as ,the post wrath rapture doctrine, they Have a cornerstone of one Singular coming of Jesus.

My question is, how do they figure that there is one coming, when we see several comings of the Lord Jesus, in scripture?

We see 2 in Matthew chapter 24, and we see one in Matthew 25, we see one in acts chapter one, we see 1 in revelation 14, we see 1 in first. Thess chapter 4, and we see one in revelation, chapter 19.
So the Obvious question is, how do they fit all those Into 1 coming?
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

There is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints before the millennial reign and 1 of the dead after the millennial reign.

Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

There is no left behind saints for there is only one resurrection of the saints and after that no person can be saved.

If they did not make the resurrection the person who was a hypocrite lost out on salvation.

The world did not believe so they lost out.

It is the end when the resurrection happens which then Jesus will put down the world.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The people who died in Christ are with him now.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There will be a resurrection of the saints.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:5 and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Then Jesus will come back with the saints and He will defeat the world and save Israel.

Jesus will take the saints off the earth and then come back with the saints to defeat the world.

That is it.
 

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One resurrection the weekend Christ crucified

One resurrection and rapture in the tribulation

Lord returns to earth at end of Tribulation----no rapture and no resurrection

One resurrection at the end of 1000 year reign of Christ--after 8 days
Question about the bold, why isn't this at the Lord's return? The Bible links it to the coming of Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
 

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When you say they have a doctrine of one coming, what are we talking about exactly? The rapture and the Lord's second coming happening at the same time, or something else?
There are several comings according to those verses.
One in Rev 19 on white horses
Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


One in Rev 14
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
One in both mat 25 and 2 in mat 24

Mat 25
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mat 24 has 1 after the 7 yr trib:
Mat 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

But another pretrib rapture coming;
Mat 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

3 distinct comings.
Only on one does he come to earth.
The others he meets them in the air. And they travel on to heaven as Jesus prophesied
 

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Question about the bold, why isn't this at the Lord's return? The Bible links it to the coming of Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 4:15-16
I think all positions agree the dead in christ are part of the rapture.

What I am doing here in this thread is just simply declaring what the word of God declares.... that there's 3 separate Commings.
I know people wanna make the resurrection a pivotal qualifier for doctrine, But that's not the point here. The Bible says there are 3 separate Comings... And so I'm gonna go with what the Bible says.

Does it not declare 3 separate comings in those verses I posted?
 

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Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

There is only 2 resurrections 1 of the saints before the millennial reign and 1 of the dead after the millennial reign.

Mat 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Mat 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

There is no left behind saints for there is only one resurrection of the saints and after that no person can be saved.

If they did not make the resurrection the person who was a hypocrite lost out on salvation.

The world did not believe so they lost out.

It is the end when the resurrection happens which then Jesus will put down the world.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The people who died in Christ are with him now.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

There will be a resurrection of the saints.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:5 and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Then Jesus will come back with the saints and He will defeat the world and save Israel.

Jesus will take the saints off the earth and then come back with the saints to defeat the world.

That is it.
You put Rev 20 into a made up time slot.
Jn say saints that died by the hand of the ac.
Jn is referring back to their death and resurrection.
In fact jn saw them at the start of the trib
As the innumerable number.
Re read Rev 20
There is a reference there to a previous event.
There is no resurrection in Rev 20 time frame.

People did that to Rev 20 for their doctrine.

Read it without the spin.
Rev 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Absolutely nothing about them resurrected after tge second coming.

Now read a corrupted niv translation
Rev 20 NIV VERSION
They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.)

BINGO!!!
That is Where that falsehood originated.
In a corrupt Bible.

They litterally change Rev.
A book that curses anyone changing it.
 

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There are several comings according to those verses.
One in Rev 19 on white horses
Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


One in Rev 14
Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
One in both mat 25 and 2 in mat 24

Mat 25
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.

12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mat 24 has 1 after the 7 yr trib:
Mat 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

But another pretrib rapture coming;
Mat 24
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

3 distinct comings.
Only on one does he come to earth.
The others he meets them in the air. And they travel on to heaven as Jesus prophesied
You seem to be talking about something about which I'm unable to comment on.
 

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When you say they have a doctrine of one coming, what are we talking about exactly? The rapture and the Lord's second coming happening at the same time, or something else?
My experience is that they lump all the comings Jesus declared into one because it interferes with a doctrine they have invested in.
 

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Maybe if I had the first clue of what you're getting at I could; but I don't so I can't. Sorry, but I'm just not following you.
The verses are in post 8.
Easily counted.
Coming 1
Coming 2
Coming 3.

They aren't going away.
They are doctrine destroyers
 

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When you say they have a doctrine of one coming, what are we talking about exactly? The rapture and the Lord's second coming happening at the same time, or something else?
1) Obviously he comes for his bride.
2) The Jewish gathering of Rev 14 is vivid.
3) The second coming in power and glory is also vivid and undeniable.

The question I am asking is WHY change all 3 into one???
That is my question.
I see them clearly, clearly do it.
But WHY?