Jewish Tithing as recording

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Observations on the Jewish people's Mandate

Tithing:
Definition: Tithing was a system of taxation imposed upon the nation of Israel as part of the Mosaic Law for the support of their government, known as the priesthood. The Old Testament concept of tithing corresponds to our federal income tax system. (Num 18, Heb 7)
Overview of Priesthood…
1. The entire nation of Israel was originally chosen to be God’s priests (Ex. 19:5,6).
2. However, the nation failed, and the priesthood was given to Aaron and his sons (Ex. 28:1).
3. The priesthood was established by God to function as part of Israel’s national government:
a. Taught the Law Lev 10:11, Deut 17:18, Neh 8:9
b. Offered sacrifices Lev 9
c. Served as Supreme Court Justices Deut 17: 8-13
d. Collected taxes (tithes) Num 18, Heb 7:5
e. Maintained the tabernacle/temple Num 16, 18
f. Inspected unclean people Lev 13, 14
Sources of revenue for the government were as follows:
a. national taxation (tithing) Num 18, Lev 27
b. a special tax (tithe) every 3rd year Deut 14, 26
c. redemption money of firstborn Lev 27
d. percent of booty from war Num 13
Also provided for the priesthood were:
a. portions of the sacrifices Num 18
b. 13 cities Josh 21
c. the shewbread Lev 24
By the time of our Lord’s first advent, the unbelieving religious leaders of Israel had corrupted the concept of tithing into a legalistic system of false spirituality and self-righteousness. For this reason, the only mention of tithing by our Lord was a negative one. (Lk 18: 9-14)
Our Lord does mention the concept of giving, but not tithing, when He commends the widow for giving two mites. What is interesting here is that the widow did not give 10%; she gave ALL she had. (Mk 12: 41-44)
Here our Lord commends the giving of 100%, not 10%.
Pertaining to the Church, the word “tithing” or its concept is not mentioned at all in the New Testament. The reason for this is obvious: tithing, being a part of the Mosaic Law, was annulled with the death of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb 7: 5-19). With the annulment of the Levitical priesthood, tithing ceased. This national tax was no longer authorized by God.
The writer of Hebrews shows that the concept of tithing was related to the Mosaic Law and was the exclusive responsibility of the sons of Levi (priesthood) Heb 7:5. The writer demonstrates in verse 18 that the Mosaic Law has been annulled, and, therefore, is no longer in force today. The priesthood ended; so did their jobs (such as collecting tithes).
The concept of giving of our financial resources to assist the church function is an important doctrine in the New Testament, but is in no way related to tithing (giving 10%).
In fact, the exact amount one should give to the local church is specifically documented: “ let each of you lay ‘something’ aside...”(1 Cor 16:2) Unfortunately, that’s as specific as Paul gets. In Acts 11:29 Luke indicated that many of the disciples gave to those in need “each according to his ability.” Luke is equally vague.
So how much do you give to the church?
a. The amount instructed to give to the church is clearly given in the New Testament:
1. “something”
2. “as He has prospered you”
3. “each according to his own ability”
(Before financial resources are given, God first requires the giving of one’s self 2 Cor 8:5)
b. Any attempt to establish a ‘definite’ amount is contrary to Scripture and runs contrary to the principle of grace.
c. When a ‘definite’ amount is imposed by a church, or bullies within the church, a legalistic system of self-righteousness is actually established, similar to returning to the Mosaic Law.
d. By not setting any specific amount to give, God has actually created a way to measure the heart.
e. Biblically speaking, the amount most of us tithe (federal and state income taxes) exceeds 20%. Remember, tithing was taken from the gross (10% off the top) under Mosaic Law; the IRS allows us to claim certain deductions first.

Dallas Theological Seminary’s position: “Tithing was never imposed by God on any other than the nation of Israel. Under grace, no law is imposed, and no proportion to be given is stipulated...He finds pleasure only in the gift which is given cheerfully... tithing is no longer valid in the Church Age.” Major Bible Themes, John Walvoord.
Therefore, how much a person gives is between him and the Lord.
 
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Sure it was. The rich paid more than the poor.
Income tax is a tax on man's labor. Wage eaners did not pay tithes on their wages. Tithes were a "tax" on the increase God gave, ie the work that God did, and were only paid by people who raised livestock and grew crops.
 
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Observations on the Jewish people's Mandate

Tithing:
Definition: Tithing was a system of taxation imposed upon the nation of Israel as part of the Mosaic Law for the support of their government, known as the priesthood. The Old Testament concept of tithing corresponds to our federal income tax system. (Num 18, Heb 7)
Overview of Priesthood…
1. The entire nation of Israel was originally chosen to be God’s priests (Ex. 19:5,6).
2. However, the nation failed, and the priesthood was given to Aaron and his sons (Ex. 28:1).
3. The priesthood was established by God to function as part of Israel’s national government:
a. Taught the Law Lev 10:11, Deut 17:18, Neh 8:9
b. Offered sacrifices Lev 9
c. Served as Supreme Court Justices Deut 17: 8-13
d. Collected taxes (tithes) Num 18, Heb 7:5
e. Maintained the tabernacle/temple Num 16, 18
f. Inspected unclean people Lev 13, 14
Sources of revenue for the government were as follows:
a. national taxation (tithing) Num 18, Lev 27
b. a special tax (tithe) every 3rd year Deut 14, 26
c. redemption money of firstborn Lev 27
d. percent of booty from war Num 13
Also provided for the priesthood were:
a. portions of the sacrifices Num 18
b. 13 cities Josh 21
c. the shewbread Lev 24
By the time of our Lord’s first advent, the unbelieving religious leaders of Israel had corrupted the concept of tithing into a legalistic system of false spirituality and self-righteousness. For this reason, the only mention of tithing by our Lord was a negative one. (Lk 18: 9-14)
Our Lord does mention the concept of giving, but not tithing, when He commends the widow for giving two mites. What is interesting here is that the widow did not give 10%; she gave ALL she had. (Mk 12: 41-44)
Here our Lord commends the giving of 100%, not 10%.
Pertaining to the Church, the word “tithing” or its concept is not mentioned at all in the New Testament. The reason for this is obvious: tithing, being a part of the Mosaic Law, was annulled with the death of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb 7: 5-19). With the annulment of the Levitical priesthood, tithing ceased. This national tax was no longer authorized by God.
The writer of Hebrews shows that the concept of tithing was related to the Mosaic Law and was the exclusive responsibility of the sons of Levi (priesthood) Heb 7:5. The writer demonstrates in verse 18 that the Mosaic Law has been annulled, and, therefore, is no longer in force today. The priesthood ended; so did their jobs (such as collecting tithes).
The concept of giving of our financial resources to assist the church function is an important doctrine in the New Testament, but is in no way related to tithing (giving 10%).
In fact, the exact amount one should give to the local church is specifically documented: “ let each of you lay ‘something’ aside...”(1 Cor 16:2) Unfortunately, that’s as specific as Paul gets. In Acts 11:29 Luke indicated that many of the disciples gave to those in need “each according to his ability.” Luke is equally vague.
So how much do you give to the church?
a. The amount instructed to give to the church is clearly given in the New Testament:
1. “something”
2. “as He has prospered you”
3. “each according to his own ability”
(Before financial resources are given, God first requires the giving of one’s self 2 Cor 8:5)
b. Any attempt to establish a ‘definite’ amount is contrary to Scripture and runs contrary to the principle of grace.
c. When a ‘definite’ amount is imposed by a church, or bullies within the church, a legalistic system of self-righteousness is actually established, similar to returning to the Mosaic Law.
d. By not setting any specific amount to give, God has actually created a way to measure the heart.
e. Biblically speaking, the amount most of us tithe (federal and state income taxes) exceeds 20%. Remember, tithing was taken from the gross (10% off the top) under Mosaic Law; the IRS allows us to claim certain deductions first.

Dallas Theological Seminary’s position: “Tithing was never imposed by God on any other than the nation of Israel. Under grace, no law is imposed, and no proportion to be given is stipulated...He finds pleasure only in the gift which is given cheerfully... tithing is no longer valid in the Church Age.” Major Bible Themes, John Walvoord.
Therefore, how much a person gives is between him and the Lord.
I agree and to see further about Tithing is now a heart of giving, not what one does not have yet by what one does have and how one is called to do it, by Father and Son for us each to do as led
remembering this too. Jesus replied to the Pharisee, and said you deny God's direct command to honor one's parents

Mark 7:10-12

Authorized (King James) Version

10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. 12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;

Seeing the truth, I am to give as led by my Father, not by others, not even myself.
Read 2 Corinthians 6,7,8 to see what we now do freely

2 Corinthians 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

And do it privately not openly in public for any reward from anyone else, Even Jesus in every miracle done through him, he never asked to be put above anyone else ever. As, is what I have read reading it all with the motive to know and trust this loving God for us all to see and be new in love and mercy too, by his love first in Son as Risen for us all to stand in thanksgiving and praise over it. Stop the show and tell please thank you
See Psalm 100:4, Psalm 103:12 as well to see from Father out is done for su to be new in love and mercy to all, not a few as is taught to do by religion of flesh and blood not born new yet
 

lrs68

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I pay tithing and ironically because the Church is set up like a nonprofit organization I am able to apply what I pay in tithing to my taxes. Oddly enough, adding this to my taxes has boosted my return by 40%. 40% increase on my return has actually placed my yearly income greater than what I would just from working alone. That's paying 52 weeks at 10%

Now, this should be impossible. But giving to God and Him Blessing us back is always greater than what we've given.
 
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I pay tithing and ironically because the Church is set up like a nonprofit organization I am able to apply what I pay in tithing to my taxes. Oddly enough, adding this to my taxes has boosted my return by 40%. 40% increase on my return has actually placed my yearly income greater than what I would just from working alone. That's paying 52 weeks at 10%

Now, this should be impossible. But giving to God and Him Blessing us back is always greater than what we've given.
Giving is utmost to be willing, not for return, I thank God for new life given to me. God supplies the true needs, and has never failed me to this day, even though I have failed God time and time again. God's Love continues for eternity to respond to God in thanksgiving and praise, one then, can't harm others as the response for the gift given them, at least me, you think, I know?
Exodus 25:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.
Exodus 35:5
Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the Lord; gold, and silver, and brass,
Exodus 35:21
And they came, every one whose heartstirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the Lord’s


2 Cor 8,9,10 reveals to me a heart of free will giving is accepted by Father and Son as Won (One)
We, at least me believe, I have received love from and back to God in response, now give free as revealed from God to me to do or not do. Not of self or for any other reason, but receiving the gift, from Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in the risen Son given us to be new, no work(s), to have to do, but choose, thank you
God won in Son, for us to be new in risen Son's lead through in God's Holy Spirit, and I see to not just give as asked by others, unless Father tells me to go ahead. Father knowing what is best for the next person and all people, Dad, decides wherever anyone is at in the present day in their walk to know truth over error in this world still here from Evil, evil, performing as if is good.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Sometimes, people need to go through Hell here to learn truth about harming others for any self gain or even playing good as in Luke 18:9-14. God, looks for us all to want to be forgiven and be made new as born new from God Father through risen Son, being 100% dependent on God over it all. not to take it for granted as those Corinthians did at first, and is why Paul wrote to them. Using forgiveness to get away with sinning, harming others as they did.
The Grace once received from God, that person changes from inside out, over time, some instantly, however Grace from God is for us all, and is not ever meant to take for granted as still goes on today and before today as well
God continues in love to all, Nothing can separate God's Love form us given through Son to us. The new life offered is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The dead one Was to reconcile us all to Father first as forgiven 100% to appreciate not take advantage of.
Sorry, I do not mean to come across vehemently, actually Compassionately for us all to love all from the new heart God gives in risen Son to us to be new in the new heart given us, not earned or even earned to keep it. It is a gift, not a work, thanks as you already know this too, as well as all others reading this here today too
We all know and choose as we each want. People are a product of their thought(s) Proverbs 23:1-7
 

lrs68

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Giving is utmost to be willing, not for return, I thank God for new life given to me. God supplies the true needs, and has never failed me to this day, even though I have failed God time and time again. God's Love continues for eternity to respond to God in thanksgiving and praise, one then, can't harm others as the response for the gift given them, at least me, you think, I know?
Exodus 25:2
Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering.
Exodus 35:5
Take ye from among you an offering unto the Lord: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the Lord; gold, and silver, and brass,
Exodus 35:21
And they came, every one whose heartstirred him up, and every one whom his spirit made willing, and they brought the Lord’s


2 Cor 8,9,10 reveals to me a heart of free will giving is accepted by Father and Son as Won (One)
We, at least me believe, I have received love from and back to God in response, now give free as revealed from God to me to do or not do. Not of self or for any other reason, but receiving the gift, from Father and Son as Won for us all to be new in the risen Son given us to be new, no work(s), to have to do, but choose, thank you
God won in Son, for us to be new in risen Son's lead through in God's Holy Spirit, and I see to not just give as asked by others, unless Father tells me to go ahead. Father knowing what is best for the next person and all people, Dad, decides wherever anyone is at in the present day in their walk to know truth over error in this world still here from Evil, evil, performing as if is good.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Sometimes, people need to go through Hell here to learn truth about harming others for any self gain or even playing good as in Luke 18:9-14. God, looks for us all to want to be forgiven and be made new as born new from God Father through risen Son, being 100% dependent on God over it all. not to take it for granted as those Corinthians did at first, and is why Paul wrote to them. Using forgiveness to get away with sinning, harming others as they did.
The Grace once received from God, that person changes from inside out, over time, some instantly, however Grace from God is for us all, and is not ever meant to take for granted as still goes on today and before today as well
God continues in love to all, Nothing can separate God's Love form us given through Son to us. The new life offered is in the risen Son, not the dead one. The dead one Was to reconcile us all to Father first as forgiven 100% to appreciate not take advantage of.
Sorry, I do not mean to come across vehemently, actually Compassionately for us all to love all from the new heart God gives in risen Son to us to be new in the new heart given us, not earned or even earned to keep it. It is a gift, not a work, thanks as you already know this too, as well as all others reading this here today too
We all know and choose as we each want. People are a product of their thought(s) Proverbs 23:1-7
Unlike many people I believe in tithing. I believe the job I have came from God, the other means of income happens because of God, and the things I own have indirectly come from God. So I believe that I have what I have because God provided it for me. And to honor God I choose to honor His tithe Command given to the ancient Hebrew People. I feel very good about being able to do this because I have joy to say to God I know You gave this to me and I want to honor You because of it.

However, little did I know until my first year filing taxes that because the Church must be set up as a nonprofit organization my tithes act like a write off or tax break. And because the Church is set up that way it has become another Blessing from God towards me who pays tithes. So even though I pay tithing to thank and honor God for His provisions I also know there's a separate Blessing come tax time.
 

Edify

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Tithing was NOT a taxation program. If anything, it's more like a Levitical food stamp program, 10 % of their harvest, cattle,sheep, rtc. Money was a last resort if the tither lived too far away to keep the harvest fresh.
Since there's no more a levitical priest system because it was done away with Christ, neither is the tithe system. If you still want to pay tithes, there's a levitical high priest in Israel now, send it to him according to the law.
Otherwise, paying it to a church is not obeying God.
It's funny, most churches don't believe in replacement theology that teaches the gentile church replaces Israel, yet they PRACTICE IT by receiving tithes that don't belong to them!
 
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Unlike many people I believe in tithing. I believe the job I have came from God, the other means of income happens because of God, and the things I own have indirectly come from God. So I believe that I have what I have because God provided it for me. And to honor God I choose to honor His tithe Command given to the ancient Hebrew People. I feel very good about being able to do this because I have joy to say to God I know You gave this to me and I want to honor You because of it.

However, little did I know until my first year filing taxes that because the Church must be set up as a nonprofit organization my tithes act like a write off or tax break. And because the Church is set up that way it has become another Blessing from God towards me who pays tithes. So even though I pay tithing to thank and honor God for His provisions I also know there's a separate Blessing come tax time.
Thank you for your continued honesty brother
Personally I do not tithe
Tithe under Law is 10% Under Law to tithe, I give my ten percent and go down the road and see another person in need on the side of the road. I hear help them from God and I reply, NO, I already gave my Ten percent to the Church building, let them take care of that person.
Hey buddy, say, go toilet Church and get help and saved by them!
Really, is that what a person in belief to God for them in love with God to them to do, really!

Not for me, since my Soul is saved by God for me through risen Son Jesus. I, see respond to God and give all of me to God as in Luke 21:1-15 Then I am as well as all that are 100% dependent on God do willingly give, not just ten percent, even more, as led by God. utmostly for me it is true love to all thanks to God frost in Son for me.
And each that gives willingly see, and are content by God in all things. Like when Paul went to jail, illegally by this worlds standards, did not complain and the jail help saw this, Paul continued to praise God in the troubles he was in, so they came to believe God as well.
Can we the people go through troubles and not complain as well and still praise God anyway?