Trumps Tariffs

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ResidentAlien

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Someday this MAGA mess has go away. In the meantime, those that see this gov't for what it really is and/or are being impacted by it need stand firm against it, support each other and prepare to create a better future.
Amen. Believers who can see what's happening really need to support one another. I don't believe in trying to "improve" things through the political system though; that's what the flesh does. I'm not as optimistic about the future; but we do need to stand firm in Christ, whether times are good or bad.
 

true_believer

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You are deliberately disobeying God’s command by wishing ill upon our President and not praying for him.

And, you have yet to answer about giving him credit for the many wonderful things he’s gotten done so far.
Yeah, so good.
 

PennEd

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Amen. Believers who can see what's happening really need to support one another. I don't believe in trying to "improve" things through the political system though; that's what the flesh does. I'm not as optimistic about the future; but we do need to stand firm in Christ, whether times are good or bad.
Minimum of 3 and half more yrs of winning pal!

Get comfortable with it.
 

HeIsHere

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Someday this MAGA mess has go away. In the meantime, those that see this gov't for what it really is and/or are being impacted by it need stand firm against it, support each other and prepare to create a better future.
It will take a very long time to recover.
 

ResidentAlien

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This is just getting sad. We really should pray for Donald, now more than ever. I don't want to see him do something to this country we'll all regret.

 

Eli1

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This is just getting sad. We really should pray for Donald, now more than ever. I don't want to see him do something to this country we'll all regret.
Don’t worry.
He can’t do any worse than the left and he already restored a lot of sanity which was robbed by the left.
You do your job as a leftist pundit in the meantime and we’ll all enjoy ourselves.
 

PennEd

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Don’t worry.
He can’t do any worse than the left and he already restored a lot of sanity which was robbed by the left.
You do your job as a leftist pundit in the meantime and we’ll all enjoy ourselves.
These people sicken me.

All they do all day long, is bash President Trump.

Yes the President is a flawed human being. And I also am not thrilled with the whole Epstein stuff, but these divisive, hateful people NEVER tell us who THEY voted for, or even what perfect person they want in office.

They also NEVER give an ounce of credit with all of the awesome things he has done that have a real impact on our lives.

May God exchange their rotten hearts for a loving one.
 

ZNP

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These people sicken me.

All they do all day long, is bash President Trump.

Yes the President is a flawed human being. And I also am not thrilled with the whole Epstein stuff, but these divisive, hateful people NEVER tell us who THEY voted for, or even what perfect person they want in office.

They also NEVER give an ounce of credit with all of the awesome things he has done that have a real impact on our lives.

May God exchange their rotten hearts for a loving one.
Yep, Trump is terrible for not prosecuting Epstein, not like Biden...oh, wait.

I would argue they are both the same, two sides of the same oligarchy coin trying to convince the American people we still have a system where the people choose the president. Whether it is heads or tails it is still their coin.
 

Eli1

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These people sicken me.

All they do all day long, is bash President Trump.

Yes the President is a flawed human being. And I also am not thrilled with the whole Epstein stuff, but these divisive, hateful people NEVER tell us who THEY voted for, or even what perfect person they want in office.

They also NEVER give an ounce of credit with all of the awesome things he has done that have a real impact on our lives.

May God exchange their rotten hearts for a loving one.
The left has no plan, no strategy, no leaders no goals. Nothing. Nothing except insanity which we already know.
Many in their ranks say this too, including billionaires who used to support them.
I mean, they are so confused that they are hoping that an international pedophile ringmaster is going to bring Trump down.
Because they can't fight Trump toe to toe on debates and ideology since they're literally the bottom of the barrel right now in terms of ideology. They have no one on their end to do this, so they hoping that the dead Epstein is going to take him down.
It's hilarious how clueless these people are. They're looking for blame anywhere but the mirror.
They could learn why they lost but they don't want to learn. If they learned, they could take a new direction, abandon extreme ideologies, connect with the American working man, say common sense policies which benefit the most not just the fringe and then you might have a sense of direction, goal and leadership.
Right now all they got is Stage 4 TDS.
 

stilllearning

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His tariff policies show his incredible ignorance. He's doubling down on the idea that it's a tax on other countries when in fact it's a tax on the US. Everyone seems to know this but him.
Let's go with your argument tariffs are a tax. Let's also go with your prior argument that tariffs are inflationary.

The CPI numbers are in for the month of June there was a .1% increase. The core inflation numbers are in as well there was a .1% decrease. The core inflation numbers measure the same thing as the CPI minus food and energy. Fuel prices did in fact go up in June, what happened in June then we must ask. Israel bombed Iran which we saw immediately raised the price of a barrel of oil.

Higher oil prices is going to make fuel prices raise. So that raise in prices is non tariff related.

So if tariffs are a tax on American's why are we not seeing it in prices? We would have to see it because the agreed argument point is tariffs are inflationary so there will have to be a raise to prices. Yet the numbers say that is not the case.

Someone is paying the tariffs because in the month of May we had a $316 billion dollar deficit. In June we had a $27 billion dollar surplus. So money is coming into the coffers of the Treasury.

The PPI which measures the cost for producers here at home those numbers were a push they neither increased nor decreased. So they were a push. So the tariffs are being paid yet is causing no increase in prices for producers or consumers.

The numbers say that the tariffs or the taxes are being paid by the nations sending the goods. How can this be possible I would theorize that they are passing the cost on to their local market. For example American pharmacy companies sell their health products in foreign nations for a reduced price due to those nations regulations. However, here at home we pay a higher price for the same products.

So that could be the case for the nations getting hit with the tariffs. Or it may be that they are eating them because they already had a high margin of profit so the additional cost does effect the bottom line but not enough to effect their profit. For example they may have had a profit margin of 12% but now only 10% so they can afford to eat them.

The bottom line is though the tariffs are not causing any rise in prices to this point as measured by the CPI, core inflation, and the PPI. However, the tariffs are at least for the month of June making it so the Treasury has a surplus. They are not solely the reason for the surplus as Trump has managed to bring in additional tax revenue of 13% as well as cut government spending by 7% for the month of June. Making it so that we had a surplus for the month of June.
 

ZNP

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His tariff policies show his incredible ignorance. He's doubling down on the idea that it's a tax on other countries when in fact it's a tax on the US. Everyone seems to know this but him.
Yes, but it is optional. You don't have to pay it if you don't want. you can buy locally. The biggest problem with the US economy is that we send our money overseas, if the tariffs are the thing that encourage people to buy locally and to invest in manufacturing locally, and the evidence is that is the case, then you must take that into account. Right now you are simply looking at part of the equation which is that things from China are more expensive. But, I don't have to buy things from China. True, it may be that things made in the USA are 5% more expensive, so I will pay more, that is inflation. But again, that is only part of the story. 40% of the money you spend on stuff manufactured in the US will be tax dollars, so although you are paying slightly more, our tax revenue will go way up. That is also what we are seeing. Also if local manufacturing has an advantage people will invest in local manufacturing, that also is what we are seeing.

If you were fair and unbiased in your analysis you would have included all the factors.

1. Prices will go up a little, not at all as much as the tariffs because people can choose to buy from other suppliers.

2. Tax revenue will go up much more than inflation. This is because there is a huge advantage to the US for goods manufactured in the US.

3. GDP will also rise. This is because 100% of the money spent on goods manufactured in the US go to people in the US who will then spend it on their daily expenses as well as paying taxes. We have also seen this in the data from the last few months.

However, there are negative impacts from the tariffs that you also have not mentioned.

1. This puts added strain on the economies of just about every country on earth. In some cases it is justified, but in other cases it is incredibly destabilizing like what is happening in China right now.

2. It reduces the exports of other countries to the US. The problem with that is if these countries aren't dependent on US dollars they can more easily switch to another currency like BRICS and the US dollar will no longer be the reserve currency. We will know this is happening if they stop buying US debt and that is precisely what is happening, they are not buying US debt. If the FED has to buy the debt by printing money then that is the same as declaring bankruptcy.

In other words this move to tariffs by Trump is like driving your car with the RPM's in the red line. You can get away with that for a few seconds, but if he thinks he can get away with this for a few years he is crazy, the US economy and the Chinese economy will both blow a gasket. They are the two engines of the world's economy.
 

Eli1

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Sounds like the last 2 posts are people who understand about the economy as opposed to wannabes who say they're "experts" about the economy and say nothing to explain their ideas.
 

Dude653

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These people sicken me.

All they do all day long, is bash President Trump.

Yes the President is a flawed human being. And I also am not thrilled with the whole Epstein stuff, but these divisive, hateful people NEVER tell us who THEY voted for, or even what perfect person they want in office.

They also NEVER give an ounce of credit with all of the awesome things he has done that have a real impact on our lives.

May God exchange their rotten hearts for a loving one.
Everything he has done has been harmful to hard-working americans.
 

ZNP

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There is one other thing that people should be aware of. It used to be they bought 20 year bonds from the US. If our debt was in 20 year bonds today we would only have to refinance 5% of the debt as well as the yearly deficit. That is like $2 trillion in addition to the deficit. However, no one is buying 20 year debt anymore, not even ten year debt. Most of our debt, especially to foreign countries is somewhere between 2 year and six month. The good news is they don't buy up all our debt, most of our debt is bought by Americans. But they do own 30%, or about $10 trillion. So we have to refinance closer to 50% of that each year, that is closer to $5 trillion more plus the deficit.

However, the idea that Americans are buying up 70% of US debt is not good news. Most of them didn't even know that. Social Security is completely maxed out on US debt and then they went to the US banks and made them buy US debts to pay interest on the savings accounts. That also is tapped out. As this debt comes due they will go ahead and refinance it, but if people are losing their jobs as they are now in mass they won't have money in the bank and they won't be taking social security out of their checks and so they won't be able to refinance the debt.