Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

[danschance]

Maybe smashed up and mixed with the honey?

A sweet treat that is also high in protein?

Yahchanan (John) was awesome!

I have heard that people often remove the head, legs and wings and eat he locust or grasshoppers (both are kosher) and roast them. I think John may of tried to mix honey with them but more than likely he simply chewed on the honey comb.

 

[nathan3]

Then wouldn't you also be disobeying your Lord?

Luke 10:8 Whenever you enter a town and the people welcome you, eat what is set before you.

No I wouldn't at all . There's no mention of eating unclean things. What it dose say is dont be a picky with where you sleep and what you eat, when the best is not available. It dose not say to eat unclean food in the process. If the people of the hose hold is of God, they are not going to be eating those things in the first place. Many people at that time observed God's laws.

Those places they would have entered would have been observing the heath laws written in God's words.

 

[danschance]

Then wouldn't you also be disobeying your Lord?

Luke 10:8 Whenever you enter a town and the people welcome you, eat what is set before you.

I certainly would eat whatever is set before for the sake of the gospel. We are not required to eat kosher as God made that very clear in a vison to Peter.

I would not eat human flesh though. I find that to be revolting and sinful. Everything else is fair game.

 

[Hizikyah]

I have heard that people often remove the head, legs and wings and eat he locust or grasshoppers (both are kosher) and roast them. I think John may of tried to mix honey with them but more than likely he simply chewed on the honey comb.

You may be right. Much more filling, not too sweet? More realistic for a daily meal that way too. I have heard honeycomb enhances immune function also.

That guy must had been very lean, a long way from the preservative filled "foods" of modern times!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Oops, well maybe I should check the gender of the names used in here hahah SORRY RED, MY BAD SISTER! My post still stands as I could care less what any one eats or what they don't eat....

Thanks TINTIN-man

Hi dcontroversal
The nickname on the left is pink for female and blue for male.

 

[danschance]

You may be right. Much more filling, not too sweet? More realistic for a daily meal that way too. I have heard honeycomb enhances immune function also.

That guy must had been very lean, a long way from the preservative filled "foods" of modern times!

Honey is healthy but not for babies one yr old or younger as it may have some botulism. Adults can handle this with no risk. But we need more than carbohydrates. Honey is mostly carbohydrate with no fat but it does have some iron and vitamin C plus minerals. We need a small amount of fat and some protein. Locust, grasshoppers and crickets are mostly protein and some fat. They also have iron and calcium.

 

[crossnote]

No I wouldn't at all . There's no mention of eating unclean things. What it dose say is dont be a picky with where you sleep and what you eat, when the best is not available. It dose not say to eat unclean food in the process. If the people of the hose hold is of God, they are not going to be eating those things in the first place. Many people at that time observed God's laws.

Those places they would have entered would have been observing the heath laws written in God's words.

I would have to respectfully disagree. I believe what Jesus told his disciples is what Paul also mentioned and that is in principle don't let matters of food be a stumbling block to others for the gospel's sake.

 

[danschance]

It is amazing how many Christians are being snared by the demonic lie that we must also obey the Mosaic laws. When we believe a lie as truth it can become a demonic stronghold that becomes difficult to get free of.

 

[phil112]

...........................Also, Peter was taught not to call man ( gentiles ) common, or unclean , who through Christ are made clean : that message had nothing to do with food. The unclean food was used to illustrate a point to Peter who viewed the gentiles as common or unclean...............

It is a scripture with two applications, as frequently happens with the word of God. The bible is very clear here in using food for an analogy.

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Can you tell me with a straight face that isn't talking about food?

......................Christ taught us to follow God's laws. That includes the health laws.

You are calling Paul a liar where he speaks in 1 Timothy 4:4

....................You lie about the old covenants. (a)You are saying that all old covenants must go, that the new one wiped them all out when that is not so. (b) You lie about what was cancelled by Christ saying because Christ replace some all were cancelled.

(a) I said no such thing. Not one time have I ever said anything about covenants being "wiped out". Who is lying?
(b) I said no such thing. Not one time have I ever said anything about covenants being "cancelled". Who is lying?

You lie about the eternity of God as (a)some of your posts would have to be read as God changing Himself. (b)God does not change.

(a) No, YOU are the one twists my words into " some of your posts would have to be read as God changing Himself". YOU CHOOSE to read that into them. I am clear. I say what I mean.
(b) I never said God changes. In fact, just the opposite, I know God never changes, and have said so, more than once. Once again, you tell a lie.
However, God can and has changed His mind.

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Paul is telling us, in very clear words, that God sanctifies all our food by His word, and thru prayer.

nathan3;1398007"observing health laws written in God's words"

Now you are making stuff up.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Because he said so.
that's why

that is all we need
if you go against the word of God
one way or another
you will have comitted suicide.

 

[john832]

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Means by the word of God as..

Mark 7:18-19 He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him?
For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)

and prayer...giving thanks.

Has nothing to do with Jewish ordinances in Leviticus.
The Levitical priesthood and it's rites no longer apply.

Hebrews 7:11-12 So if perfection had in fact been possible through the Levitical priesthood – for on that basis the people received the law – what further need would there have been for another priest to arise, said to be in the order of Melchizedek and not in Aaron’s order?
For when the priesthood changes, a change in the law must come as well.

I answered Mark 7 here...

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-eat-what-god-hates-but-why.html#post1397409

Please note that the subject was eating BREAD made from grain. There is nothing in Mark 7 about clean and unclean except this...

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

So today, people lay aside the Commandments of God to keep the dietary traditions they wish to keep. God's Commands are to eat that which is clean.

 

[john832]

It is a scripture with two applications, as frequently happens with the word of God. The bible is very clear here in using food for an analogy. Can you tell me with a straight face that isn't talking about food?

Peter didn't think so!

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

His immediate take away was not to run down stairs and have hamhocks, in fact he did not know wath to think.

Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

He thought about it because what you say was not immediately apparent to the Apostle.

You are calling Paul a liar where he speaks in 1 Timothy 4:4

And you are twisting the scripture by not reading the verses right around verse 4...

1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

What creatures did God create to eat? We find the lists in Lev 11 and Deut 14.

(a) I said no such thing. Not one time have I ever said anything about covenants being "wiped out". Who is lying?
(b) I said no such thing. Not one time have I ever said anything about covenants being "cancelled". Who is lying?



[quote[(a) No, YOU are the one twists my words into " some of your posts would have to be read as God changing Himself". YOU CHOOSE to read that into them. I am clear. I say what I mean.
(b) I never said God changes. In fact, just the opposite, I know God never changes, and have said so, more than once. Once again, you tell a lie.
However, God can and has changed His mind.

Does He flip flop on His Law? Can you show me one passage where God says "Oops, my bad, My Laws were a mistake in this area."?

Paul is telling us, in very clear words, that God sanctifies all our food by His word, and thru prayer.

Now you are making stuff up.

Pulling verses out of context will do that...

Mat 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Luk 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Joh 13:27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Now using YOUR style of exegesis, are you going to go hang yourself? I just showed you from scripture that is what you should do. You have built your case on this same style of faulty exegesis and fulfilling Mark 7...

Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

So if you wish to continue in your tradition of eating things that are not meant to be food, go right ahead but don't try to twist scripture to justify it.

 

[john832]

Nevertheless I do wonder about those that made the list of prohibited species to eat yet don't appear to clean up waste product.

This was a very good post but just to add a thought here, it is just possible (I say with tongue in cheek) that the Creator of the human body may actually know more about it and what to put into it than the creation knows.

 

[Brother_Don]

if it was possible even the elect would be deceived. i keep seeing people using John eating bugs as an excuse. i don't think John ate bugs, do some research. i'm glad i know better and can't be deceived by some of the rebellious garbage people actually believe. as for those that obey the health laws, i hope its doing your body and spirit well, it does mine, and i'm glad to see your posts.

 

[john832]

Doesn't matter "what you think", God has cleansed it for us, and we are not to call it unclean. Climb out of that musty closet of old testament law you live in and join the new covenant dispensation.

Well then, have a big plate of fugu, or giant cane toad or poison dart frog and garnish it wth nightshade mushrooms. After all, it has all been cleansed. NOT!

 

[Brother_Don]

people will even do research and see the locust was a peapod like thing that grew on a tree, not a bug. people will see this fact and still deny it, just as they do the health laws, make up some goofy excuse of why its not for us.

 

[john832]

How does verse 19 apply to John the baptist? Don't locust travel in big packs just wondering ?

Mark 1:6 And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;

God Bless

Lev 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Lev 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
Lev 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

 

[john832]

it's not crossnote's interpretation, its the interpretation the apostles had, writing by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit:
"Thus he declared all foods clean." (Mark 7:19, ESV)

but what did Christ himself say, notwithstanding Peter's vision?
it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.
(Matthew 15:11)

is Christ only talking about washing your hands before you eat? read on:

But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.
These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone.
(Matthew 15:18-20)

the commandments to the Israelites concerning food have been deeply studied and many essays written about them showing that the diet kept them from many common diseases. the law is good, and not just for ritual or spiritual interpretation but also for health. you can't ignore Peter's vision or Christ's teachings though, or Paul's clear teaching not to condemn over what they do or do not eat.

there's probably nutritional worth in eating kosher, and doing it as a devotion to God is good. but it's wrong to take it up like it's a law for us under the covenant God has made with us through Jesus, or to condemn anyone for eating a hot dog.

do we also need to sew blue tassels onto all our clothes?
Speak to the people of Israel, and tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a cord of blue on the tassel of each corner.
(Numbers 15:38)

For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it.
(James 2:10)

The overall subject of Mark 7 is putting human tradition above the Law of God...

Mar 7:6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Mar 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Meat is not even mentioned, nor is it implied in Mark 7...

Mar 7:2 And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault.

And this word really means bread made from grain...

G740
ἄρτος
artos
ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.

The whole of Mark 7 is about putting one's own desires above what God instructs us to do. Not only in diet but in every aspect of our lives.

 

[john832]

Water isn't a food type.

Neither are unclean meats. They are not food...

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

 

[john832]

I think it was to do with cleanliness. Or perhaps the stomach wasn't as firm and acidic as it is nowadays? But I know that pork meat, without vaccinations, would harbor a lot of worm and things. Deer, in comparison, would be relatively 'clean'.

'Clean', as in, literally 'clean'.

Or perhaps we do nto know as much about what should be considered food as the Designer and Creator of the human body.