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Cameron143

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the dispies are the real replacement theology people. they replace the one seed which is Christ with many seeds. the one people of God with two people of God.
No one replaces Christ as the seed, foundation, or root. He is the fountain of all that is good and the source of the divine power at work in us. We can do nothing apart from Him.
 

HeIsHere

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Oh you mean the temple authority and the temple mob...what about the shouting of the son of david....hosanna praise song? Who was that. The romans?
They had to pay for witnesses against him. Nicodemas asking along with Joseph for his body.

It reflects on today's events. .....read carefully.

Acts 2:22 Fellow Israelites, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know—2:23 this man, handed over to you according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of those outside the law.[36]

Peter ends the speech with the phrase, “this Jesus whom you crucified.”[37]

The people were swayed by the chief priests and the elders and are therefore hold responsibility for their actions.
 

HeIsHere

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#86
For anyone to say or think that God is through with Israel makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
Actually it is the opposite...... for anyone to think that God did not fulfill ALL His promises in the Christ Jesus makes God a liar and a covenant breaker.
 

Mem

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I said this on another thread, but I think it's worth repeating because the Spirit takes precedence over the letter (natural, legal status?) within the new covenant, and 2 Corinthians 3:6 provides the primary guideline in determining who is qualified as ministers of the new covenant. And, although I've failed miserably more than I've given my best in trying to ensure life, it remains to be that which ministers of the Word aught be their utmost priority in safeguarding as much as the Way and the Truth, the Life.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Israel still has a vital part in God's purpose. Revelation makes no sense otherwise. I have not said that all Jews are saved. That is not the point. Israel exists as absolute proof that God can keep His promises as revealed in His word.

Yeah I hadn’t said you said anything

“That is not the point. Israel exists as absolute proof that God can keep His promises as revealed in His word”

“God can keep His promises as revealed in His word”

Yeah I agree God keeps his word the things he says he always keeps those things that he actually says.

It’s just important to know what that is that he said if the subject is israel be needs to review what he said to them in thier covenant
 

Pilgrimshope

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#90
It's extremely hard to a mind and heart blinded by unbelief. God have mercy on them
It’s hard for them to let go of Moses and his word in the old covenant so it blinds them

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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There are some who doubt the role of Israel in God's plan and purpose. If that is so, perhaps you can explain this from the book of Revelation.
Revelation 7:3-8
“Do not harm the land or sea or trees until we have placed a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel:

From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000, from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000, from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000, from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, and from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

Also Romans 11: 25 & 26.
I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

These things are obviously future. God is not done with Israel yet.

It is noteworthy that the tribe of Dan is not included in the 144,000. God rejected Dan because they allied themselves with the Philistines instead of conquering them as God had commanded. That compromise caused great trouble for Israel later on. We do well not to compromise with God's enemies.
 
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#92
Perhaps it would be better if You read Rev. 1:1 closely! Who was That Book written to; and WHEN?
Yet people keep taking what for Isreal and using It Today !
Then forget Christ Jesus sent Paul TO THE GENTILES ! What was Pauls' Message, and what was contained in IT ??
 
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I have seen so many times in what is called, Bible chat rooms; various opinions of what The Bible is saying. Most of the time They are exactly that, Opinions!
Opinions do not count when it comes to understanding the Bible text! My opinion is, That I am correct. Does that count? Absolutely not!
However, there are indeed, Times when One may be correct in their statements.
SOMETIMES!

What about the OTHER TIMES?

"Study to show Yourself approved of God, A workman who need not ashamed; rightly dividing The Word Of Truth.
 
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#94
the dispies are the real replacement theology people. they replace the one seed which is Christ with many seeds. the one people of God with two people of God.
The proof that the seed is Christ is in Genesis 15:18.

In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed (τω σπέρματί σου, LXX) have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: Genesis 15:18
besides Paul saying so in Galatians 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed (τω σπέρματί σου), which is Christ. Galatians 3:16
Now if someone has a skeptical or disbelieving heart about what Paul said due to dispensational hypnosis, here is proof that Paul was correct (of course a disbelieving heart won't believe this either, but I digress).

In Genesis 15:7 God promises to give the land of Canaan to Abraham. Abraham then asks for assurance. What's interesting about this exchange is that Abraham didn't just believe God; he asked him for a guarantee, ie, surety. And God didn't just say he would give him the land; he said Abraham would inherit it. But from whom?

And he said to him, I [am] the God leading you from out of [the] place of [the] Chaldeans, so as to give to you this land to inherit. And he said, Lord YHWH, how will I know that I will inherit it? Genesis 15:7-8

In response God told Abraham to make preparations for a blood covenant, the most solemn vow existent, which Abraham did. Then God walked through the animal pieces sealing the blood covenant with Abraham

In that day YHWH cut a covenant with Abram, saying, [To] your seed I will give this land, from the river of Egypt unto the river of the great Euphrates, Genesis 15:18
Now if God promised to give Abraham the land as an inheritance, and then sealed that promise with a blood covenant in which he committed himself to giving the land to Abraham's descendents, how could that have been any assurance to Abraham that he would indeed receive the land? For he would die and they would die, and he could receive nothing from them. Plus receiving an inheritance from one's descendents is just an absurd idea.

However, if God committed himself to giving the land to Christ, which he did, and Abraham knew that God was speaking of Christ, which he did, then he would have rock solid assurance that he would receive the promised land as an inheritance from Christ in the resurrection.

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad. John 8:56
So Paul was right. Have a believing heart and believe what is written in scripture

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. Hebrews 4:1-2
 

Melach

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#95
Perhaps it would be better if You read Rev. 1:1 closely! Who was That Book written to; and WHEN?
Yet people keep taking what for Isreal and using It Today !
Then forget Christ Jesus sent Paul TO THE GENTILES ! What was Pauls' Message, and what was contained in IT ??
another dispie parrot

lets read who its written to........ 7churches. not israel.
 
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Acts 2:22 Fellow Israelites, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with deeds of power, wonders, and signs that God did through him among you, as you yourselves know—2:23 this man, handed over to you according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of those outside the law.[36]

Peter ends the speech with the phrase, “this Jesus whom you crucified.”[37]

The people were swayed by the chief priests and the elders and are therefore hold responsibility for their actions.
My point was that a large majority still believed who he was and is.
Many people look upon "the jews" as the ones that corporately killed Christ. This is a lie and to the fact brings a lot of false narrative and outrageous theology.
I can argue to the point that God himself offered up his lamb for all which also is scripture.

If you come to troll me and correct without knowing the conversation be more prepared for your rebuttal.
Did you know the events of our Lord a savior leading up to the crucifixion gives a glimpse of our current events?
In many ways much of the gospel is being played out before our eyes.
 

HeIsHere

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Israel still has a vital part in God's purpose. Revelation makes no sense otherwise. I have not said that all Jews are saved. That is not the point. Israel exists as absolute proof that God can keep His promises as revealed in His word.
God fulfilled ALL His Promises in Christ Jesus not in a piece of real estate.
 

HeIsHere

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My point was that a large majority still believed who he was and is.
Many people look upon "the jews" as the ones that corporately killed Christ. This is a lie and to the fact brings a lot of false narrative and outrageous theology.
I can argue to the point that God himself offered up his lamb for all which also is scripture.

If you come to troll me and correct without knowing the conversation be more prepared for your rebuttal.
Did you know the events of our Lord a savior leading up to the crucifixion gives a glimpse of our current events?
In many ways much of the gospel is being played out before our eyes.
You mean the man made counterfeit narrative developed in tandem with the release of the Scofield bible and its promotion

(John Darby) across North America which has blinded Christians, which actually takes away and diminishes Christ Jesus and His completed work.

The fact remains they rejected their Messiah and Christ Jesus warned them of the consequences for doing so...

But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luke 23:28


From the beginning there has been one plan of salvation and it no longer requires a set apart people. Done, finished.