Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Ah, yes, starting with Adam in Genesis, who rejected God's will in favour of his own.
But you are one of those who prefers to blaspheme God rather than admit what the Bible actually says.
James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .
But you are one of those who prefers to blaspheme God rather than admit what the Bible actually says.
James 1 verses 14-15; 1 John 2 verse 16 Each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death. For all that is in the world- the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life- is not from the Father but from the world. .
And there is your problem......stumbling out of the gate.
The matter of Adam and the fall has been exhaustively expounded upon and proven several times, yet you have CHOSEN to ignore these many fine treatments.
Adam And Eve... What really happened?
1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think
Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?
Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear
Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought
Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?
Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?
Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?
Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this
The matter of Adam and the fall has been exhaustively expounded upon and proven several times, yet you have CHOSEN to ignore these many fine treatments.
Adam And Eve... What really happened?
1st Adam vs. The 2nd Adam. They're more alike than you might think
Adam, Eve & Satan. Do you really think you know this story?
Deep Teaching On Adam & Eve. This is the stuff you're not supposed to hear
Did Adam Blame Eve? It's not what you may have thought
Eve Is Dying Right In Front of Adam. If you were Adam, what would you do?
Satan, Why Did You Pick A Snake? Would Adam have been fooled by a snake?
Why A Tree Of Death? What caused the Tree of Death to be put in the garden of Eden?
Genesis 2 and 3... NOT Seeker Sensitive! That's why most churches don't teach this
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Despite what the un-Biblical free will doctrine promoters put forth, the natural man does not have everything he needs in order to grow the good fruit of faith from the stony ground of his incurably wicked heart which is opposed to the things of God, and he cannot change himself, being a lover of darkness who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness as a slave to sin, being inherently hostile in his mind toward God, and blinded to the truth while under the power of the evil one. Those who promote the free will of the natural man reject a plethora of Biblical truths.
It's important to say how troubling the behaviour of so many who purport to be Christian, has been on this thread. Many view themselves as morally superior to non-believers, when attempted bullying of me for daring to state a contrary opinion to what amounts to a collective hivemind, has been pretty extraordinary.
Obviously, i'm not the type to be intimidated but do feel concern about the harm which has probably been done to less confident people. Thankfully, there are lots of truly spiritual, lovely people here but there are also many who need to take off their rose coloured glasses.
Obviously, i'm not the type to be intimidated but do feel concern about the harm which has probably been done to less confident people. Thankfully, there are lots of truly spiritual, lovely people here but there are also many who need to take off their rose coloured glasses.
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Here’s a good example of the dynamic
“And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
( this is thier will not Gods Will )
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
( that term “imagine to do “ ties to thier Will what they are manifesting in thier minds and hearts )
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth:
( God has now intervened because he had foreknowledge of mankind’s evils ahead so he then stops thier Will from being manifested )
and they left off to build the city.
( notice thier Will isn’t being controlled but instead he’s stopping the outcome ofnthier imaginations by intervention not by talk ng thier eiol from them it’s corrupted but it’s still thiers )
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
Genesis 11:1, 3-9 KJV
just what they feared happened what they were trying to avoid
“let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. “
“and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
we can see how Gods Will works but also that man’s Will is rebelling against his it isn’t that anyone’s controlling man apart from thier own selves even God isn’t exercising “ control “ over them he’s simply stopped ng the progress of thier corrupt will by intervention.
man’s will needs to come back in line with Gods Will but as long as we pretend it’s not of ourselves tbat we’re in rebellion and it’s some mystery man controlling our Will we’re never going to get it
“And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
( this is thier will not Gods Will )
And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
( that term “imagine to do “ ties to thier Will what they are manifesting in thier minds and hearts )
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech. So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth:
( God has now intervened because he had foreknowledge of mankind’s evils ahead so he then stops thier Will from being manifested )
and they left off to build the city.
( notice thier Will isn’t being controlled but instead he’s stopping the outcome ofnthier imaginations by intervention not by talk ng thier eiol from them it’s corrupted but it’s still thiers )
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
Genesis 11:1, 3-9 KJV
just what they feared happened what they were trying to avoid
“let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. “
“and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.”
we can see how Gods Will works but also that man’s Will is rebelling against his it isn’t that anyone’s controlling man apart from thier own selves even God isn’t exercising “ control “ over them he’s simply stopped ng the progress of thier corrupt will by intervention.
man’s will needs to come back in line with Gods Will but as long as we pretend it’s not of ourselves tbat we’re in rebellion and it’s some mystery man controlling our Will we’re never going to get it