Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

[brightfame52]

rolleyes ... or we could just read Romans 5:18 in the context within which the Author of Scripture intended the verse be read.

What is written in Ephesians 5:23 is to be understood in the context within which the Author placed it ... Colossians 1:18 is to be understood in the context within which the Author placed it ... Romans 6:23 is to be understood in the context within which the Author placed it.

The Author of Scripture did not intend that the reader take a verse here ... a verse there ... then mold random verses into that which the Author of Scripture did not write.





Again, Rom 5:17 reveals those who receive justification of life:

Romans 5:17-18 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. ) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The word "receive" in Rom 5:17 is translated from the Greek word lambanō which means actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available ... emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver - HELPS Word-studies.

In Rom 5:18, the first all refers to all humanity ... all descendants of Adam. The second all refers to that part of the first all who lambanō ... (they actively lay hold of ... they do not reject the gift of righteousness) ... by grace through faith the justified ones are reborn into the Last Adam, Christ.





What is written in John 3:36 is corroborated in Romans 5:1 [being justified by faith] ... and further in Rom 5:17 [they which receive [lambanō] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ].

faith is what actively lays hold of that which God in His grace and mercy gifts to mankind. Those who do not lay hold are the ones who remain under condemnation.
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Rom 5 isnt about all mankind, its strictly about Gods elect, their experience in Adam which resulted in condemnation, and then their experience in Christ which abundantly Justified them from that condemnation. The non elect vessels of wrath are not even in the equation

 

[brightfame52]

Which is what you are saying.

For the majority of people God creates them to send them to hell.

Even worse, God hates them and always has hated them before they were born.

Think of Esau.

This is your doctrine!

So what does my post say ? Thats what Im saying duh

 

[reneweddaybyday]

He is the Saviour of the saved within mankind, the lost He obviously isnt their Saviour duh

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Stop bearing false witness

no "false witness" by me ... just revealing the truth of Scripture ... which you reject ... hmmm
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[reneweddaybyday]

The entire 5th chapter of Rom 5 is about the elect and their resultant experience in both their heads, Adam and then Christ.

you keep saying that ... which completely contradicts what you stated in Post 21:

Those under condemnation cant be Justified as Per Rom 5:18

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those are your words early on in the thread and when your error was pointed out to you, it finally dawned on you and you then changed your statement from "those under condemnation cant be Justified" to your current claim "the entire passage Rom 5:1-21 is solely about the elect" (or words to that effect).

in your futile attempt to construct your house of cards, you have replaced one erroneous card with another card which is just as erroneous as the first.

They end up with Justification of life

rolleyes ... now you're espousing universalism because all descendants of Adam are under judgment unto condemnation.

The ones who "end up with Justification of life" are the ones who receive [lambanō] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness ... the ones who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when truth is revealed to them – the ones who actively take hold [lambanō] as revealed in Rom 5:17.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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[reneweddaybyday]

Rom 5 isnt about all mankind, its strictly about Gods elect, their experience in Adam which resulted in condemnation, and then their experience in Christ which abundantly Justified them from that condemnation.

so then, according to you, only "Gods elect" were under condemnation ... which means the "non-elect" were not under condemnation for which they needed justification.

Quit twisting Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma. Your dogma must be brought into alignment with what is actually written in Scripture.

The non elect vessels of wrath are not even in the equation

Romans 5:17-18 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ. ) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

The word "receive" in Rom 5:17 is translated from the Greek word lambanō which means actively lay hold of to take or receive, to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available ... emphasizes the volition (assertiveness) of the receiver - HELPS Word-studies.

In Rom 5:18, the first all men refers to all humanity ... all descendants of Adam. The second all men refers to that part of the first all men who lambanō ... they actively lay hold of ... they do not reject the gift of righteousness ... by grace through faith the justified ones are reborn into the Last Adam, Christ.
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[brightfame52]

The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam:

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.





no "false witness" by me ... just revealing the truth of Scripture ... which you reject ... hmmm
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Listen He is the Saviour of the world of the saved as Per Rev 21 24

And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Them that are lost, have nor had a Saviour !

 

[brightfame52]

you keep saying that ... which completely contradicts what you stated in Post 21:

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those are your words early on in the thread and when your error was pointed out to you, it finally dawned on you and you then changed your statement from "those under condemnation cant be Justified" to your current claim "the entire passage Rom 5:1-21 is solely about the elect" (or words to that effect).

in your futile attempt to construct your house of cards, you have replaced one erroneous card with another card which is just as erroneous as the first.





rolleyes ... now you're espousing universalism because all descendants of Adam are under judgment unto condemnation.

The ones who "end up with Justification of life" are the ones who receive [lambanō] abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness ... the ones who do not suppress the truth in unrighteousness when truth is revealed to them – the ones who actively take hold [lambanō] as revealed in Rom 5:17.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Yes the entire chapter 5 of Romans is about the elect of God, there is nothing in it about the non elect, except maybe in Vs 14 in one comment. And Im not going to explain that to you because you are not teachable, you think you know everything.

 

[brightfame52]

@reneweddaybyday

so then, according to you, only "Gods elect" were under condemnation .

No I didnt say that, so now you bearing false witness. Im saying Rom 5 is about the elect and their experience first in Adam as he was their head and then in Christ as He was their Head. Whether the non elect were under condemnation or not, which they are, they are not the focus in Rom 5 only the elect.