Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

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danschance

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I never implied he did not understand the vision as it is obvious that he did. Yet the vision never mentioned gentiles and it was about killing and eating unclean food. So if the vision is only about gentiles then we should kill and eat them. Obviously that is not correct. You simply disagree with what I said and there is no surprise there.
 
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danschance said:
That would depend on motivation. If one is motivated by error then no thankx. If one is motivated to eat for health then perhaps.
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Ah, so you believe in situational ethics? It is sometimes OK to do womething and at other times it is not depending on circumstances? How about murder? Depend on circumstances does it?
 
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danschance said:
I never implied he did not understand the vision as it is obvious that he did. Yet the vision never mentioned gentiles and it was about killing and eating unclean food. So if the vision is only about gentiles then we should kill and eat them. Obviously that is not correct. You simply disagree with what I said and there is no surprise there.
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I was not saying you said Kepha didnt understand, Scripture says Kepha didnt understand, but Yahweh revealed the meaning to him.

Kepha didnt understand the meaning of the vision:

Acts 10:17, "Now while Kepha was wondering within himself what this vision which he had seen meant, behold, the men who
had been sent from Cornelius had asked where Simon's house was, and stood in front of the gate."

and then it is explained BY YAHWEH:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

SO you said "So if the vision is only about gentiles then we should kill and eat them. Obviously that is not correct."

1) no other meaning is revealed by Yahweh other than the fact gentiles are not unclean. (pharisees taught the gentiles were.are unclean)

2) Again, all things in a vision are not literal, the meaning IS LITERALLY EXPLAINED PLAINLY, and by your interpretation of this why not have every vision have 2 meanings?
 
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danschance said:
I never implied he did not understand the vision as it is obvious that he did. Yet the vision never mentioned gentiles and it was about killing and eating unclean food. So if the vision is only about gentiles then we should kill and eat them. Obviously that is not correct. You simply disagree with what I said and there is no surprise there.
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Most visions are not reality shows. God showed Daniel (actually through king Nebuchadnezzar) the four great Empires from Babylon to the Holy Roman Empire at Christ's return...

Dan 2:31 "You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome.
Dan 2:32 This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
Dan 2:33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
Dan 2:34 You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
Dan 2:35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.
Dan 2:36 "This is the dream. Now we will tell the interpretation of it before the king.

Notice that government, nations, rulers, kingdoms are not mentioned here. Would you then claim that this vision is simply about statues having their feet broken by stones?

The vision Peter received was one thing that represented something else. It was a vision, not a reality show. Visions have to be interpreted. Daniel (God actually interpreted the vision through Daniel) interpreted the vision for King Nebuchadnezzar and the interpretation had nothing to do with statues and stones. Christ interpreted the vision for Peter and the interpretation had nothing to do with food.
 
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People are unaware of the power they give letters and words when reading.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Such is the ability to identify how these words can simplify back to the original order prior to the sentence which is beyond the beginning. I n e g, simplify left of God and interesting also is the fact "od created the heaven and the earth" can be smashed together with letters eliminating each other only leaving those which there is already one.Leaving I n e g o c a d v ..."In God Cave?" Probably indication of the ruling house here. Those are the letters that defile and one used in this house they must be cast out or they multiply with your progression through genesis 1 even to 2 and beyond.

Anyway the best place to practice simplfied clean understanding is Genesis 38. Judah has no ability to procreate with "it" because the two words share no common letters. So "it came to pass" till Judah made an image.
 
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Acts 10:28, And he said unto them, ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that i should not call any man common or unclean.
 
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Peter said the vision showed him to call no man common or unclean.
 
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Brother_Don said:
Acts 10:28, And he said unto them, ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that i should not call any man common or unclean.
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Peter said the vision showed him to call no man common or unclean.
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Let Scripture interpret Scripture, and its quite easy in this case.
 
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danschance said:
I never implied he did not understand the vision as it is obvious that he did. Yet the vision never mentioned gentiles and it was about killing and eating unclean food. So if the vision is only about gentiles then we should kill and eat them. Obviously that is not correct. You simply disagree with what I said and there is no surprise there.
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Since the vision is only about food, the Gentiles can just stay out. Is this your take away?
 
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Ah, so you believe in situational ethics? It is sometimes OK to do womething and at other times it is not depending on circumstances? How about murder? Depend on circumstances does it?
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Unfortunately it does.
Examples of murder:
The Levites in Exodus 32:27-29
Phinehas in Numbers 25:1-13
Both the Levites and Phinehas were justified.

Example of eating the unclean: The Israelites had to eat the unclean during the exile to Babylon. It's a punishment.
Yahweh promised justification for the remnant though c.f. Isaiah 45.

So I guess it depends.
 
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chubbena said:
Unfortunately it does.
Examples of murder:
The Levites in Exodus 32:27-29
Phinehas in Numbers 25:1-13
Both the Levites and Phinehas were justified.

Example of eating the unclean: The Israelites had to eat the unclean during the exile to Babylon. It's a punishment.
Yahweh promised justification for the remnant though c.f. Isaiah 45.

So I guess it depends.
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Was this murder? Or was it judgment on the wicked. The Levites were the duly constituted governmental representatives of God and were acting as His ministers...

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
Rom 13:4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.

You sure that all Israel ate unclean in the exile?

Dan 1:5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king's delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king.
Dan 1:6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah.
Dan 1:7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.
Dan 1:8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

Daniel and his pals did not.

Eze 4:14 So I said, "Ah, Lord GOD! Indeed I have never defiled myself from my youth till now; I have never eaten what died of itself or was torn by beasts, nor has abominable flesh ever come into my mouth."
Eze 4:15 Then He said to me, "See, I am giving you cow dung instead of human waste, and you shall prepare your bread over it."

Ezekiel did not.

Don't get the false impression that all the Israelites were righteous people, they were just like most people in the world today, they didn't give two hoots about what God said they should do...

Heb 3:10 THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THAT GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS.'

(The capitalization is the NKJV, not mine.)
 
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danschance

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Since the vision is only about food, the Gentiles can just stay out. Is this your take away?
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Not really. If we only had the vision that would be true. However, we also have the gentiles no longer being considered unclean as they were in the Mosaic law. So how can one bridge the gentiles to the vision if the vision only mentions "killing and eating unclean food? The bridge is that the two are connected by the concept of unclean being removed. I can't see any other way of dealing with the vision.
 
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Was this murder? Or was it judgment on the wicked. The Levites were the duly constituted governmental representatives of God and were acting as His ministers...
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When Yahweh asked, they volunteered and their action pleased Him.
For Phinehas, at first glance it seemed to be an action by flesh but who knows, may be he learnt from the Levites incident that Yahweh would not tolerate wickedness and his figured his fleshy action might please Him - and he's right - so I'd say not all fleshy actions are against the Spirit.
You sure that all Israel ate unclean in the exile?
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Good question. I will be disappointed if you don't ask. Like I said earlier, they had to eat the unclean because they were under punishment. However, you brought up a very good example in Daniel and his friends - there's always a way out in faith. Unfortunately, today's faith (of many) goes the exact opposite way - eating without discretion is considered spiritual.
Interesting.
 
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