The "Exterminate Israel & its Jews" movement...

[HeIsHere]

Now we know where you get all your confusion from. "Pastor Miano". I googled the poor lad and he seems to be a FULL preterist? Is that correct or am I misunderstanding his position? If he is indeed a full preterist he is NOT a Christian and is a heretic.

Oh the guy seems to reject water baptism as well:

"Pastor Michael Miano is passionate about reform within the Christian Church, and he continually pushes for studies in regards to Covenant Creationism, Full Preterism, and true Biblical application in Believer’s lives (Narrative Theology). Pastor Miano has debated in numerous discussions/ debates about hell from the Annihilationist view, eschatology from the Full Preterist view, and baptism from the immersed in Discipleship (not physical water) perspective; "

Stop listening to this heretic and you may be able to find the truth. Why would you listen to a grown man with earrings anyways?

I only agree with some of views regarding the accuracy of the fulfilling of Matthew 24, you waiting for the tribulation and the rapture is in vain.
I wonder how many hours you have actually read those who can correctly divide scripture that would NOT include Haggee, LaHay and Hal Lindsey for sure.

You think you could debate Don Preston, go for it.

 

[Slimsumo]

I only agree with some of views regarding the accuracy of the fulfilling of Matthew 24, you waiting for the tribulation and the rapture is in vain.
I wonder how many hours you have actually read those who can correctly divide scripture that would NOT include Haggee, LaHay and Hal Lindsey for sure.

You think you could debate Don Preston, go for it.

Easy debate against Don Preston. Light work. The preterist case is very very easy to defeat, both partial and full, they use the same arguments, the only difference is that the partial preterist is inconsistent. The Partial-preterist somehow sees Matthew 24:31 as past, yet 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 as future, even though it is nearly identical language. I have read both sides of the argument, not too fond of Hagee who teaches Israel is saved outside of Christ or LaHay who made sensationalist books.

 

[PennEd]

Not even the tin foil hats in Texas are destroying 5G towers. Most of them are accepting that 5G is the natural development of telecommunications.

The “tin foil hats” gang has been proven right on just about everything in the past half decade.

They are bathing urban and suburban communities with radiation for a reason. My suburban county there are over a thousand towers. If these towers are so much more wonderful, why would you need so many in such a small area?

Further, NO ONE’s phone or internet service is any better at all, and in some ways worse than the 4g networks.

Honestly, I used to get angry with people like you, that are unable to see and understand that we are under attack, in various ways by the world, the world system, led by satan. But now I just feel sad for people that are so indoctrinated, they simply are incapable of discernment.

 

[PennEd]

I know I'm waaay off topic here, but this subject is so vitally important this is as good a place as any to put it.

The Amils will absolutely be caught with their pants down, because they cannot see how all of this will perfectly dovetail with the literal end times prophecies of Scripture. ESPECIALLY as it relates to the antichrist, and how he will use and likely merge with AI.

This guy is rabidly anti Christian, and Judaism for that matter, and yrs ago predicted AI would write a New bible for the world. But he is brilliant, and has vision to see what is very shortly coming. I'd highly recommend watching this short vid of him recently talking about AI.

 

[HeIsHere]

Easy debate against Don Preston. Light work. The preterist case is very very easy to defeat, both partial and full, they use the same arguments, the only difference is that the partial preterist is inconsistent. The Partial-preterist somehow sees Matthew 24:31 as past, yet 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 as future, even though it is nearly identical language. I have read both sides of the argument, not too fond of Hagee who teaches Israel is saved outside of Christ or LaHay who made sensationalist books.

So you say, easy to defeat.

Futurists break the absolute first rule of audience relevance, therefore their entire position has no foundation.
Christ Jesus is very clear,
Acts 2:16–17 — “In the last days…” (fulfilled at Pentecost)
1 Corinthians 10:11 — “on whom the ends of the ages have come”
Hebrews 1:1–2 — “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son”
Hebrews 9:26 — “at the end of the ages he has appeared”
James 5:3 — “You have laid up treasure in the last days”
1 Peter 1:20 — “manifested in these last times for your sake”
1 Peter 4:7 — “The end of all things is at hand”
1 John 2:18 — “It is the last hour”
Jude 17–18 — “In the last time there will be scoffers… they are here now”
Behold I come quickly
This generation..... when YOU (33 times) see these things

 

[shittim]

Thank you Penn Ed

 

[Chester]

I know I'm waaay off topic here, but this subject is so vitally important this is as good a place as any to put it.

The Amils will absolutely be caught with their pants down, because they cannot see how all of this will perfectly dovetail with the literal end times prophecies of Scripture. ESPECIALLY as it relates to the antichrist, and how he will use and likely merge with AI.

This guy is rabidly anti Christian, and Judaism for that matter, and yrs ago predicted AI would write a New bible for the world. But he is brilliant, and has vision to see what is very shortly coming. I'd highly recommend watching this short vid of him recently talking about AI.

thanks Penned for posting the video - excellent informative watch

 

[Slimsumo]

So you say, easy to defeat.

Futurists break the absolute first rule of audience relevance, therefore their entire position has no foundation.
Christ Jesus is very clear,
Acts 2:16–17 — “In the last days…” (fulfilled at Pentecost)
1 Corinthians 10:11 — “on whom the ends of the ages have come”
Hebrews 1:1–2 — “in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son”
Hebrews 9:26 — “at the end of the ages he has appeared”
James 5:3 — “You have laid up treasure in the last days”
1 Peter 1:20 — “manifested in these last times for your sake”
1 Peter 4:7 — “The end of all things is at hand”
1 John 2:18 — “It is the last hour”
Jude 17–18 — “In the last time there will be scoffers… they are here now”
Behold I come quickly
This generation..... when YOU (33 times) see these things

Yup, really easy. You break it too, if you used this type of method for interpreting the Bible you would no longer even preach the gospel.

Lets apply the consistent preterist method here:
- The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy! Jesus would be with the apostles preaching the gospel until the end of the world (or age in newer bibles) which in preterismland means the destruction of Jerusalem. So what we have is: The end of the age has already occured, Jesus is no longer with the apostles, not to mention us because audience relevancy dictates that it was never a promise meant for us.

-Paul believed he would see Jesus return and would be alive for the resurrection, he says "us who are alive and remain" incuding himself and the Thessalonians. Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the thessalonians. Both options are bad.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.

Now to deal with all the last days verses you have quoted, which again provide no difficulty for my position. These ARE the last days, the last days began 2000 years ago, and will continue until the Lord returns. We are in day two at the moment.
It is still true that Jesus is coming quickly. It is talking about the speed at which these events in the book of Revelation occur. Once the ball starts rollin' its rollin' fast. Give or take 7 years to be exact, some say 3 and a half, however you wish to see it, we are talking about a brief period of time.

 

[HeIsHere]

The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy!

To state it plainly,
1. That would not be what audience relevance means, good try. Next.

Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the Thessalonians. Both options are bad.

2. Wrong understanding of "heaven and earth" as understood by the culture which used the idiom. Next.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.

3. Not a rebuttal, just a denial and assumptions. The letters were not written TO us, but they are still have meaning FOR us.

Next.

These ARE the last days,

4. The correct term is "aion" which means a time period of indeterminate time with a particular quality.

It was the end of the Mosaic Age, with a period of transition and The NT age of the Spirit of God housed in the believer not the Temple.

The Book of Revelation describes the end of the Mosaic Age, not the end of this age, it was written to the churches of that time.

By the way you did not even use the scriptures I cited, just went right past them and scripture does not make any sense with a futurist lens.
Done.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yup, really easy. You break it too, if you used this type of method for interpreting the Bible you would no longer even preach the gospel.

Lets apply the consistent preterist method here:
- The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said, audience relevancy! Jesus would be with the apostles preaching the gospel until the end of the world (or age in newer bibles) which in preterismland means the destruction of Jerusalem. So what we have is: The end of the age has already occured, Jesus is no longer with the apostles, not to mention us because audience relevancy dictates that it was never a promise meant for us.

-Paul believed he would see Jesus return and would be alive for the resurrection, he says "us who are alive and remain" incuding himself and the Thessalonians. Which means either the resurrection already happened and we are living in the new heaven and the new earth with no pain and suffering or Paul was just lying to the thessalonians. Both options are bad.

There are hundreds of examples where Jesus or Paul says "you" to the churches of apostles and it applies to everyone who is part of the ekklesia. You only pick and choose to do this with the verses in question because you just don't want these things into the future for some reason. Maybe you got tired of all the false predictions and sensationalism, so you decided to go the opposite end of error and just claim it is all fulfilled already.

Now to deal with all the last days verses you have quoted, which again provide no difficulty for my position. These ARE the last days, the last days began 2000 years ago, and will continue until the Lord returns. We are in day two at the moment.
It is still true that Jesus is coming quickly. It is talking about the speed at which these events in the book of Revelation occur. Once the ball starts rollin' its rollin' fast. Give or take 7 years to be exact, some say 3 and a half, however you wish to see it, we are talking about a brief period of time.

As well, it is indisputably clear that in the teachings and understanding of the early Christian community there were no eschatological expectations that embraced centuries of time.

 

[Slimsumo]

To state it plainly,
1. That would not be what audience relevance means, good try. Next.



2. Wrong understanding of "heaven and earth" as understood by the culture which used the idiom. Next.



3. Not a rebuttal, just a denial and assumptions. The letters were not written TO us, but they are still have meaning FOR us.

Next.



4. The correct term is "aion" which means a time period of indeterminate time with a particular quality.

It was the end of the Mosaic Age, with a period of transition and The NT age of the Spirit of God housed in the believer not the Temple.

The Book of Revelation describes the end of the Mosaic Age, not the end of this age, it was written to the churches of that time.

By the way you did not even use the scriptures I cited, just went right past them and scripture does not make any sense with a futurist lens.
Done.

No heaven and earth is heaven and earth. Its not an idiom at all to talk about a mosaic age.

Revelation 21:1,3

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

One of the features being no death or sorrow. We arent there yet

 

[HeIsHere]

No heaven and earth is heaven and earth. Its not an idiom at all to talk about a mosaic age.

Revelation 21:1,3

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

One of the features being no death or sorrow. We arent there yet

Not really what I stated.
Any way keep waiting for the rapture, 2000 plus years but who is counting.

 

[Slimsumo]

Not really what I stated.
Any way keep waiting for the rapture, 2000 plus years but who is counting.

Wait, you deny that the rapture is future? pre-mid or post?

That means you are not a Christian. The rapture IS the resurrection. Same event, same time. Dead in Christ rise first. If you deny the rapture is future you deny the resurrection is future

2000 years plus, yup. Keep mocking it:

2 Peter 3:4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”


Matthew 24:48-50

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

 

[HeIsHere]

That means you are not a Christian.

Your knowledge of scripture it seems is very limited it seems, I guess that is why you cannot deal directly with the words Jesus spoke.

"When "you" see these things...."
"This generation"

 

[Slimsumo]

Your knowledge of scripture it seems is very limited it seems, I guess that is why you cannot deal directly with the words Jesus spoke.

"When "you" see these things...."
"This generation"

I can and I have explained it. This generation meaning the generation that sees all these things listed occuring.

You can keep high horsing but Christianity believes Jesus returns and resurrection is future. Even the amillenniallists believe that much!

 

[HeIsHere]

I can and I have explained it. This generation meaning the generation that sees all these things listed occuring.

You can keep high horsing but Christianity believes Jesus returns and resurrection is future. Even the amillenniallists believe that much!

The generation to whom Jesus spoke is the generation who saw those things, I take Jesus at his word otherwise he we would not have told them to flee to the hills.

Yeah people try all kinds of semantic tricks, but it all falls flat on its face as completely illogical.

 

[Slimsumo]

The generation to whom Jesus spoke is the generation who saw those things, I take Jesus at his word otherwise he we would not have told them to flee to the hills.

Yeah people try all kinds of semantic tricks, but it all falls flat on its face as completely illogical.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Is it past or not? There will be no fruit in discussing Christian doctrine with a non-Christian. So I must know

 

[HeIsHere]

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Is it past or not? There will be no fruit in discussing Christian doctrine with a non-Christian. So I must know

So now 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 is the litmus test for being a believer, making that the litmus looks more bad for you actually.
Kinda ironic, lol.

There will be no fruit because you misrepresent the doctrine.
Movin on.

 

[tablet123]

Same ole, same ole, is that how one regards God's plan of salvation?

I already posted about the fullness of the gentiles as not being numeric.

The mystery is the fullness of the Gentiles, when God has finished bringing the nations into His family – Rom. 11:25; cf. 16:25; Matt. 13:11; Luke 21:24; John 10:16; Eph. 3:3-9; Rev. 10:7) this was in the first century because that is when the Gospel was sent out to all people.

Paul’s work as an evangelist for the Gospel of Christ was a mission to the Gentiles cloaked in God’s mysterious promise to Israel. Because the northern tribes essentially became Gentiles themselves, the apostle’s mission was dually-thematic, corporately and theologically centered around the return of Ephraim’s seed, the lost House of Israel, and the outreach into the regions beyond (2 Cor. 10:16; cf. Rom. 15:24; Isa. 11:11).
(Pastor Miano)

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The fulness of the Gentiles is when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles then God will turn Israel as a nation to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah which all Israel shall be saved.

Israel is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.

When the fulness of the Gentiles comes in Israel will not be blinded in part anymore but be in the truth.

If the fulness of the Gentiles happened in the first century Israel would be in the truth from that point forward but we see Israel is not in the truth.

So the fulness of the Gentiles have not come in yet.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Israel as a nation has 70 weeks, 490 years, to make an end to sin, bring in everlasting righteousness, and anoint the most Holy who is Jesus.

69 weeks has passed with one more week to go, 7 years.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Israel as a nation is blinded in part until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in which is when salvation is no longer available to the Gentiles when they take the mark of the beast.

And so all Israel shall be saved for the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Israel will never cease to be a nation for God will always bring them to the truth.

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Israel was punished because they did not come to repentance for 70 years so God allowed the Roman Empire to scatter the Hebrews in to the nations as the punishment He told them in the Old Testament if they strayed from the truth for too long.

So the Hebrews were not together for the 70th week to happen which is why there is one more week to go.

The last week is the time God causes all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom that is all about people and there is no God and brings Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior.

The New Age Christ, antichrist, will negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a 7 years peace treaty which will start the system of man going against the operation of God.

It will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen for the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land but God means it for good towards the Hebrews.

Jerusalem will be divided with the Palestinians, and the Hebrews will be able to rebuild their 3rd temple which they will go back to animal sacrifices.

The United Nations supports new age organizations.

The New Age Christ will be considered a great man of peace, and he will push the agenda of the new age which he will think to change times and laws, and things will change drastically.

United Nations Agenda 21 for the 21st century which is known as Agenda 30 for the year 2030 when they want it implemented.

They want to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force.

They want to give the people a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

They can watch the people, and know their location, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The mark of the beast is something stuck under something and since it is given to a person it is stuck under their skin.

The New Age Christ's agenda is there is no personal God to help mankind but their technology can help them to deter crime, and have peace.

When the 7 years begin they will start the process of preparing cities, and moving people in to the cities, which at the end of the first three and one half years the people will be given a microchip the mark of the beast going along with the beast's agenda that there is no personal God and mankind has the capability to achieve peace.

Whoever does not take the microchip not going along with the beast's system will be killed.

When they take the mark of the beast repentance and salvation are no longer available to the world and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

The New Age Christ will step in to the Hebrews temple and tell them he is their God and to stop animal sacrifices.

God will send Israel 2 witnesses to turn Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Lord and Savior and at the end of the last three and one half years Israel as a nation will be in the truth and the 70th week will be fulfilled.

The 7 years is over and the wrath of God will be poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon when Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

 

[tablet123]

The generation to whom Jesus spoke is the generation who saw those things, I take Jesus at his word otherwise he we would not have told them to flee to the hills.

Yeah people try all kinds of semantic tricks, but it all falls flat on its face as completely illogical.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Daniel did not understand what was told him because he could not understand it.

Which the book is sealed until the time of the end which then the saints can understand.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which then the saints can see, hear, and know, what is going on in the earth, and how the world can come together as one for they can communicate with each other, and travel to each other, and establish a system that is not the operation of God and going against all people who oppose them causing Him to end sin on earth.

Daniel had a limited view and knowledge of the world for about all he knew was when he went outside and looked around, and the scant few people around him.

So he could not understand the time of the end.

It can only be the time of the end when technology causes the world to be able to communicate with each other.

Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The disciples would be in the same position of Daniel having a limited view of the world.

How could the disciples hear of wars and rumours of wars, and nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places on earth without technology.

Without technology to see what is happening in the world the disciples would not know these things.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Also how could they be hated of all nations and the Gospel be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come in the first century when Christianity did not spread that far yet.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Also it says when the end will come but how can the end be in the first century for if it was Jesus would of put down the world but we see they are still on the earth being rebellious.

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

This is what happened in the first century.

The rest is for now the end time.

The disciples wanted to know of the end of the world which did not happen in the first century.

Which we can see the nations against each other and earthquakes, pestilences, famines happening in different parts of the earth.

It sounds like Jesus is speaking to the disciples knowing this but it must be directed to the Christians at the end time.