Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

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Hizikyah

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well you defined one word, 'cleansed', purified'
How about 'panta' and 'bromata'?
19 Because it does not enter into his heart but his stomach, and then into the toilet (856) as all food is cleansed out (2511)?

2511 - katharizó
katharizó: to cleanse
Original Word: καθαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katharizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I make clean
Definition: I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.
Word Origin - from katharos
Definition - to cleanse

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."
Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?

Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

Because Mark & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual.

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

As Acts 10 was not about food either:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

This is so simple.
 
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danschance

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Numbers 15:15-16, "One ordinance shall be for you of the congregation, and for the stranger who sojourns with you, as an ordinance forever throughout your generations. As you are, so shall the stranger be in front of Yahweh. One Law and one manner shall be for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you."
Right , and if a gentile lives outside Israel he is not held to Jewish law. Again you think a special case makes the general case and that is false.
 

Hizikyah

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Right , and if a gentile lives outside he is not held to Jewish law. Again you think a special case makes the general case and that is false.
If a gentile lived outside he is most likey outside the covenant he is not told to follow Yahweh's Law.

It is amazing to me how people will find every excuse and then some why they dont have to do anything Yahweh said. How many gentiles outside Israyl even knew about Yahweh at this time in Numbers?

And how do you ignore this passage?

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
 
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danschance

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If a gentile lived outside he is most likey outside the covenant he is not told to follow Yahweh's Law.

It is amazing to me how people will find every excuse and then some why they dont have to do anything Yahweh said. How many gentiles outside Israyl even knew about Yahweh at this time in Numbers?

And how do you ignore this passage?

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."
Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law. That is what I have claimed. NT Christians are not under the Mosaic laws either. Paul said they are not to be circumcised. Since the law is a whole, declaring one part null, declares all parts null. We are under the law of Christ which is not equal to the Mosaic law. You are a judaizer by claiming we must be like Jews. Christian are not Jews and vice versa.

In fact, I have a tallit, a shofar and I will throw them in the trash to make sure I have not blurred any lines nor cause anyone to think they need to behave like the Jews.
 

Hizikyah

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Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law. That is what I have claimed. NT Christians are not under the Mosaic laws either. Paul said they are not to be circumcised. Since the law is a whole, declaring one part null, declares all parts null. We are under the law of Christ which is not equal to the Mosaic law. You are a judaizer by claiming we must be like Jews. Christian are not Jews and vice versa.

In fact, I have a tallit, a shofar and I will throw them in the trash to make sure I have not blurred any lines nor cause anyone to think they need to behave like the Jews.
Sounds like Constantine...

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
 
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danschance

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Constantine is the big bad boogie man to heretics who wish to turn him into a scape goat.
 

Hizikyah

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Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law. That is what I have claimed. NT Christians are not under the Mosaic laws either. Paul said they are not to be circumcised. Since the law is a whole, declaring one part null, declares all parts null. We are under the law of Christ which is not equal to the Mosaic law. You are a judaizer by claiming we must be like Jews. Christian are not Jews and vice versa.

In fact, I have a tallit, a shofar and I will throw them in the trash to make sure I have not blurred any lines nor cause anyone to think they need to behave like the Jews.
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 שָׁמַע shama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

Isayah 42:21, "Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, and make it honorable"

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
 
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chubbena

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A Chinese proverb states "The Chinese eat anything with four legs and anything with wings except airplanes". However, meat is not eaten daily in China as it is expensive. The average Chinese worker makes 50 to 75 cents a day and even veggies and rice are expensive for them. Pork and Chicken are mostly eaten in China but they will eat whatever they can buy.
Where have you been in the last 20 years? The Chinese has become super rich thanks to their strong exports. Prada, Gucci, Louis Vuitton and the like have opened up stores in various cities in China making big money. You might want to google what China is like today. In Guangzhou, one of the big cities in China, restaurants selling dog meat are everywhere but I'm sure the all meats are clean camp has no problem with that.
 
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danschance

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Where have you been in the last 20 years? The Chinese has become super rich thanks to their strong exports. Prada, Gucci, Louis Vuitton and the like have opened up stores in various cities in China making big money. You might want to google what China is like today. In Guangzhou, one of the big cities in China, restaurants selling dog meat are everywhere but I'm sure the all meats are clean camp has no problem with that.

Actually some Chinese are very wealthy. Politicians are among the wealthiest in China but that does not mean that Chinese are wealthy. Most live in dire poverty. The gap between rich and poor is very wide in China.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/world/asia/survey-in-china-shows-wide-income-gap.html?_r=0

I assume you are mentioning dog meat for its shock value and to insult those of us who are free to eat freely of any food we wish. What do you consider worse, dog meat or grasshoppers? Grasshoppers are kosher. Since you claim to eat Kosher, why not have a plate full?

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Hizikyah

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Gentiles are not under the Mosaic law. That is what I have claimed. NT Christians are not under the Mosaic laws either. Paul said they are not to be circumcised. Since the law is a whole, declaring one part null, declares all parts null. We are under the law of Christ which is not equal to the Mosaic law. You are a judaizer by claiming we must be like Jews. Christian are not Jews and vice versa.

In fact, I have a tallit, a shofar and I will throw them in the trash to make sure I have not blurred any lines nor cause anyone to think they need to behave like the Jews.
Actually some Chinese are very wealthy. Politicians are among the wealthiest in China but that does not mean that Chinese are wealthy. Most live in dire poverty. The gap between rich and poor is very wide in China.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/world/asia/survey-in-china-shows-wide-income-gap.html?_r=0

I assume you are mentioning dog meat for its shock value and to insult those of us who are free to eat freely of any food we wish. What do you consider worse, dog meat or grasshoppers? Grasshoppers are kosher. Since you claim to eat Kosher, why not have a plate full?

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I agree China has a huge wealth gap.

I will take the crickets over dog meat any day. Dog meat is parasite ridden, *crickets are not.
*(even that which is food must be inspected)
 
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danschance

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I agree China has a huge wealth gap.

I will take the crickets over dog meat any day. Dog meat is parasite ridden, *crickets are not.
*(even that which is food must be inspected)
It is actually quite humorous how the judaizers speak in disparaging terms on unclean foods of the Jews. One man said we eat chimpanzee, snakes, rats and all kinds of junk. Yet when I mention kosher bugs it is all of a sudden a nice thing that is healthy and that gives me a chuckle.

Beef is kosher but not goof for you as it is high in fat and causes heart disease. Ever hear of mad cow disease? Deer in the northern states are at risk from animal wasting disease which can be contracted by humans and deer are kosher. Chicken is kosher and if it is not cooked properly it can kill you. Fish are kosher and they can get parasites too. All meat must be stored, handled and cooked properly or one can get sick. Yet you lovers of obsolete laws only point your finger at non-kosher meats as being evil , bad and or unhealthy. You ignore that Jesus said "It is not what goes into a man that defiles him".
 
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john832

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Btw John, you forgot this verse in your Romans 'commentary'...

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Yup, dead to the law but alive to God.
Just what do you mean "dead to Law" when you quote that? Can you explain?
 
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Dad: Don't eat that.
Child: Why?
Mom: Don't eat that.
Child: Why?
because...

there are loving children and stubborn children

if you have to ask why you are on the wrong side.
 
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I agree China has a huge wealth gap.

I will take the crickets over dog meat any day. Dog meat is parasite ridden, *crickets are not.
*(even that which is food must be inspected)
You guys can have the dog meat and the (catfish) bait (crickets) as I will for for the big T-bone steak having been offered by fire (coals) that is :)
 
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danschance

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Just what do you mean "dead to Law" when you quote that? Can you explain?
Galatians 2:19 For through the law, I died to the law, so that I might live for God.
 
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nathan3

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Why didn't Peter, Paul or John and James or the others go over the essentials with us goyiim on what we should and should not eat if it's so crucial to our walk??
Its not that complicated, and its written in Gods words, why would they have a need to repeat basic things like that ? It's not going to send you hurdling off into the abyss , from reading God's words, I'm not sure I got the impression it was a crucial thing. But as a Christian, to me all of God's words are crucial. And it's kinda sad to see people allowing the world , to confuse them on such basic things.

These health laws are just that, for our health. And, God made our bodies, makes sense why God would also know what gos in them. Why would I question that. And why do people? Oh I know, because they're so called pastors preaches etc, do not know God's words, and there passing that ignorance on to their congregations who can't tell the difference, when they hear God's words, or when they are hearing man blow hot air for years on end. .
 
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danschance

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Dad: Don't eat that.
Child: Why?
Mom: Don't eat that.
Child: Why?
because...

there are loving children and stubborn children

if you have to ask why you are on the wrong side.
And Jesus said...
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of the mouth this defiles a person. Matt 15:11

Those who claim some things we eat defiles us are contradicting the words of Christ and they make Christ out to be a liar and there by condemn themselves.
 
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nathan3

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And Jesus said...
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of the mouth this defiles a person. Matt 15:11

Those who claim some things we eat defiles us are contradicting the words of Christ and they make Christ out to be a liar and there by condemn themselves.
This is a spiritual teaching, and had nothing to do with God's health laws. If your more specific, It was addressing the scribes and pharisees and Their traditions. Their traditions that are not found in God's words, like washing of the hands and pots, that they held in higher regard then God's words like God's words for food.


The defilement going in, was in respond to the dirty hands, and the food contaminated from that. Not from eating literally contaminated food, like snakes , pigs etc. Which you are advocating its okay, in direct disregard for what God has said against that

Christ never even mentioned eating those things. If we try to force, that into the subject, then that is plain for anyone to see. That is not right. We are not afforded the right, to fit things in, that are not even mentioned in the subject.

Christ was teaching a spiritual teaching, in relation to vain traditions of the Jews (their traditions not God's words ) and defilement of not washing of the hands and contaminated food from such things, and cups etc.

Christ then showed that its, the traditions, false hoods lies, that the Jews engaged in, that will defile. Not God's words contained in His health laws. That was never the subject.
Christ never spoke not one word, against God's words, and that is what your implying , when you bring in God's health laws into the subject there, when its not even mentioned.
 
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john832

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Galatians 2:19 For through the law, I died to the law, so that I might live for God.
OK, we died to the Law. What does that mean? If you understand it, you should be able to explain it.
 

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And Jesus said...
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of the mouth this defiles a person. Matt 15:11

Those who claim some things we eat defiles us are contradicting the words of Christ and they make Christ out to be a liar and there by condemn themselves.
Thats correct.. Food is so we wont die, I eat to live. I have a relative that makes a special meal on sunday as tho it means something.