Don't Eat What God Hates. But Why?

[NestForASparrow]

All food is made clean, but I also abide by Romans 14:20-23

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall. [SUP]22 [/SUP]So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

and Acts 15 28-30a

[SUP]28 [/SUP]It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: [SUP]29 [/SUP]You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

 

[Hizikyah]

19 Because it does not enter into his heart; mind, but his stomach, and then into the toilet as all food is eliminated?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Now this is where the deception comes in, as you see I have shown verse 19 translated 2 different ways. Which one is correct? The second translation is the much more common translation, here is a short list of translations that match the second translation (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean): New International Version, New Living Translation, English Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, NET Bible, GOD'S WORD Translation, English Revised Version, Weymouth New Testament.

We will look at the original language, but first I want to mention again, CONTEXT, can we somehow go from the whole topic being about a hand washing ritual and unclan animals not even being in the discussion to unclean animals are now food?



The first thing you will notice is the words, "In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean," are completely absent. Before moving on, I want to ask, why did someone feel the need to forge words into the text that are not there. Is it ok to just add words wherever I want? Of course not.

19 Because it does not enter into his heart but his stomach, and then into the toilet (856) as all food is cleansed out (2511)?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

856 - aphedrón
aphedrón: a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain
Original Word: ἀφεδρών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aphedrón
Phonetic Spelling: (af-ed-rone')
Short Definition: a drain, latrine
Definition: a drain, latrine
Word Origin - from apo and hedraios
Definition - a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain

2511 - katharizó
katharizó: to cleanse
Original Word: καθαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katharizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I make clean
Definition: I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.
Word Origin - from katharos
Definition - to cleanse

20 Then He said: That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man;

21 For from within--out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, lust, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness--

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

No this is not about pork, it is about the pharisee making a show they are holy with their appearances, but Messiah is saying evil is that which should be guarded against.

This exact same account is also detailed in Mattithyah 15, and this is also shown there:

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Mattithyah 15:17, "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the stomach, and then is cast out in elimination?"

But is we keep readin we see the meaning of the PARABLE:

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?

Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here:

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

As Acts 10 was not about food either:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

So in Mattithyah the parable is fully explained, yet in Mark it is not, is it possibe that is why those false words were added to Mark 7:19? If they were added to Mattithyah 15, it would have been a contradiction, but Mark having not being fully explained, it left the door open?

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Don't eat the poison!
Why?
Because.

 

[jkalyna]

Good joke, but on the serious side, what do we think this is really speaking to?


1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

What meats have been CREATED to be received and what great universal church prohibited them on Friday?

yeah let's do the right thing and catch fish, no condemnation about fish, in the bible.

 

[jkalyna]

19 Because it does not enter into his heart; mind, but his stomach, and then into the toilet as all food is eliminated?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Now this is where the deception comes in, as you see I have shown verse 19 translated 2 different ways. Which one is correct? The second translation is the much more common translation, here is a short list of translations that match the second translation (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean): New International Version, New Living Translation, English Standard Version, New American Standard Bible, Holman Christian Standard Bible, NET Bible, GOD'S WORD Translation, English Revised Version, Weymouth New Testament.

We will look at the original language, but first I want to mention again, CONTEXT, can we somehow go from the whole topic being about a hand washing ritual and unclan animals not even being in the discussion to unclean animals are now food?

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The first thing you will notice is the words, "In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean," are completely absent. Before moving on, I want to ask, why did someone feel the need to forge words into the text that are not there. Is it ok to just add words wherever I want? Of course not.

19 Because it does not enter into his heart but his stomach, and then into the toilet (856) as all food is cleansed out (2511)?

19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

856 - aphedrón
aphedrón: a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain
Original Word: ἀφεδρών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aphedrón
Phonetic Spelling: (af-ed-rone')
Short Definition: a drain, latrine
Definition: a drain, latrine
Word Origin - from apo and hedraios
Definition - a place of sitting apart, i.e. a privy, drain

2511 - katharizó
katharizó: to cleanse
Original Word: καθαρίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: katharizó
Phonetic Spelling: (kath-ar-id'-zo)
Short Definition: I make clean
Definition: I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.
Word Origin - from katharos
Definition - to cleanse

20 Then He said: That which comes out of the man, that defiles the man;

21 For from within--out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

22 Thefts, lust, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, and foolishness--

23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man."

No this is not about pork, it is about the pharisee making a show they are holy with their appearances, but Messiah is saying evil is that which should be guarded against.

This exact same account is also detailed in Mattithyah 15, and this is also shown there:

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Mattithyah 15:17, "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the stomach, and then is cast out in elimination?"

But is we keep readin we see the meaning of the PARABLE:

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?

Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here:

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

As Acts 10 was not about food either:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

So in Mattithyah the parable is fully explained, yet in Mark it is not, is it possibe that is why those false words were added to Mark 7:19? If they were added to Mattithyah 15, it would have been a contradiction, but Mark having not being fully explained, it left the door open?

Ty for the hebrew lesson here, if we could read hebrew we could cook kosher.

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

If the meat wasnt poison you could eat it safely
in the last days meat and eggs and chees and milk is not safe

 

[Hizikyah]

If the meat wasnt poison you could eat it safely
in the last days meat and eggs and chees and milk is not safe

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

 

[jkalyna]

HAHAHHA even funnier hahah Literally laughed out loud HAHA I think I will pass on the fishtarts and just have a beef steak offered by fire on the grill that is hah

I will second that steak, and make it medium rare, yummy, juicey, and tender, we need the strenght to do all the house cleaning, and stuff, like that, good idea dcontroversal LLLLLLLLoooLLLLLLLLL

 

[jkalyna]

I know my intestines would hate them.

ha ha lol but your taste buds so,,,

 

[jkalyna]

It says, give honor unto your body, for it is the temple of the HOly Spirit, so be good to yourself, take care of yourself, and don't skimp on fruits, vegt. and the milk, proteins. Mama says so,, you know.

 

[MrsRoseTreasure]

I'm not sure 100% what the cooking the baby cow, in it's mothers milk means.

I think it means that it's a type of insult, or disrespect to the mother, to do that with milk from the same cow .

Today, milk we get in the store and the meat, your most likely never going to get the milk from the same cow you but meat from.
And I don't know of what recipes call for milk and meat anyway.

Great post, by the way.

This has to do with a pagan ritual that our Father did not want us to practice.

He seeks for us to abstain from doing the acts that the pagans did. BOILING A GOAT IN ITS MOTHER'S MILK has a very good explanation of it.

 

[iamdanco]

Ok here is a list of foods we can and can't eat. If God don't want us to eat certain foods that He Hates? then why are we selling these certain foods in food markets and retail?

Deuteronomy 14: 3-21.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]Don’t eat anything the Lord hates. [SUP]
4 [/SUP]Here are the only animals you can eat. You can eat oxen, sheep, goats, [SUP]
5 [/SUP]deer, gazelles, roe deer, wild goats, ibexes, antelope and mountain sheep.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]You can eat any animal that has hoofs that are separated completely in two. But it must also chew the cud.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Some animals only chew the cud. Others only have hoofs that are completely separated in two. The camel, rabbit and rock badger chew the cud, but they don’t have hoofs that are completely separated. So you can’t eat them. They are not “clean” for you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Pigs aren’t “clean” for you either. They have hoofs that are completely separated, but they don’t chew the cud. So don’t eat their meat. And don’t touch their dead bodies.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Many creatures live in water. You can eat all of the ones that have fins and scales. [SUP]
10 [/SUP]But don’t eat anything that doesn’t have fins and scales. It isn’t “clean” for you.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]You can eat any “clean” bird. [SUP]
12 [/SUP]But there are many birds you can’t eat. They include eagles, vultures, and black vultures. [SUP]
13 [/SUP]They include red kites, black kites and all kinds of falcons. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]They include all kinds of ravens. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]They include horned owls, screech owls, gulls and all kinds of hawks. [SUP]
16 [/SUP]They include little owls, great owls, white owls [SUP]
17 [/SUP]and desert owls. They include ospreys and cormorants. [SUP]
18 [/SUP]They include storks and all kinds of herons. They also include hoopoes and bats.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]All insects that fly together in groups are “unclean” for you. So don’t eat them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But you can eat any creature that has wings and is “clean.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]If you find something that’s already dead, don’t eat it. You can give it to an outsider who is living in any of your towns. He can eat it. Or you can sell it to someone who is from another country. But you are a holy nation. The Lord your God has set you apart for himself.


Don’t cook a young goat in its mother’s milk.

Here is the answer, Jesus said; 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

 

[Hizikyah]

Here is the answer, Jesus said; 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Mattithyah 15:17, "Do you not yet understand that whatever enters in at the mouth goes into the stomach, and then is cast out in elimination?"

But is we keep readin we see the meaning of the PARABLE:

Mark 7:17, " But when He had left the people and entered the house, His disciples asked Him about the parable."

Mattithyah 15:15, "But Kepha spoke, and said to Him; Explain this parable to us."

Kepha is Peter, so if all foods were cleansed why did Kepha years later still not eat unclean food?

Acts 10:14, "But Kepha said; By no means, Ruler, for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean."

Because Mark 7 & and Matt 15 were not about food but a pharisee hand washing ritual as the parable is explained here:

Mattithyah 15:20, "These are the things which defile a man--but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man."

As Acts 10 was not about food either:

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not Lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but Yahweh has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

So in Mattithyah the parable is fully explained, yet in Mark it is not, is it possibe that is why those false words were added to Mark 7:19? If they were added to Mattithyah 15, it would have been a contradiction, but Mark having not being fully explained, it left the door open?

(from post 302)

 

[john832]

yeah let's do the right thing and catch fish, no condemnation about fish, in the bible.

???????

Lev 11:9 'These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat.
Lev 11:10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you.
Lev 11:11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination.
Lev 11:12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.

 

[thecreationtutor]

If God hated this stuff, why did He allow it on the Ark?

 

[jkalyna]

King James Bible For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Timothy 4:4

 

[john832]

If God hated this stuff, why did He allow it on the Ark?

Ever actually read the account?

Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.
Gen 7:2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;
Gen 7:3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth.


Notice verse 2? What do you suppose Noah, Mrs. Noah and the three sons and their wives ate?

 

[jkalyna]

Just want to be honest, the title is a bit erred so reeling you into the truth.
God dosn't hate food, he hates sin, that enters in man, and destroys man.
Be ye fishers of men.

​

 

[john832]

King James Bible For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 Timothy 4:4

Let's read the context, shall we?

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Doctrines of demons...

1Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

What foods were created to be received? Noah knew...

Gen 7:2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;

After over 200 years of concentration camp living, God had to reveal these truths to Israel again...

Lev 11:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, saying, 'These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth:

OK, on with I Tim...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
1Ti 4:5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

Instead of pulling verse 4 out of context, read the whole passage...

The overall meaning here is a doctrine of demons that teaches to abstain from clean meats...

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1Ti 4:2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
1Ti 4:3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

And again, which great universal church demands that their clergy remain single (supposedly celibate) and taught that you don't eat meat but rather fish on Friday?

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
1Ti 4:5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

So we see that we can eat meat on any day but the meat must be of the meats created by God for food (verse 3) and set apart by the Word of God (verse 5).

My oh my, what a different meaning the passage has when taken in context.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Ever actually read the account?

Gen 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Come into the ark, you and all your household, because I have seen that you are righteous before Me in this generation.
Gen 7:2 You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female;
Gen 7:3 also seven each of birds of the air, male and female, to keep the species alive on the face of all the earth.


Notice verse 2? What do you suppose Noah, Mrs. Noah and the three sons and their wives ate?

Species - is not biblical - it's Kind - a very distinct word

hmm were they really unclean at that time, or when Genesis was written, had they been declared unclean through the Law, and so when referring back to genesis - they put that in there?