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  1. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    Their refusal to believe in Christ. John 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
  2. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    Yes, with good reason. No-one can believe or not believe apart from grace and truth and man can do nothing about taking away his own sin so if God doesn't do it then unbelievers are stuck. It wouldn't matter whether they wanted to believe or not because they're in a catch 22 without God's...
  3. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    And the Father can give Him the ones He does because He was 100% successful in dying for all sin, not the sin of of some but all. John 1:29 On the next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
  4. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    @brightfame52 I think it's high time people stopped engaging you on this topic. You raise this issue every few months, I can think of at least three threads you started on this topic. You say everyone reads it wrong but you want it to say that the "all" when it comes to condemnation really...
  5. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    God gave the free gift to everyone. Some are going to leave their gift under the tree and one day it will be too late to open it.
  6. sawdust

    Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?

    It says He died for all, it doesn't say He saved all. If no-one is excused from sin then, no-one is excused from forgiveness. You can't have it both ways. The sin barrier is removed. Now, whosoever believes can come and know the forgiveness that is in Christ. It is the refusal of man to...
  7. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Yes, but the difference is I can give scriptural reasons why the gift of tongues has ceased while the others ignore the other signs that accompanied tongues (ie. tongues of fire, prophesying) and pick out one thing to justify their claim that one is not baptized with the Spirit unless they speak...
  8. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    I agree it's not only the Israelites but they are the only ones God said He would speak to in a foreign language which is why Paul quoted Isaiah in 1Cor.14 1Cor.14:20-22 20 Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature...
  9. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    I do believe tongues and prophecy have ceased. Prophecy because there is nothing more the Lord can say that hasn't been said and tongues because it was for the stubborn unbelieving Israelites who would reject the Messiah (Is.28:11) . As God's dealing with the nation has been put on hold until...
  10. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    I will say this, there is a difference between accurately teaching the things you know and getting things wrong due to not understanding the things you have yet to learn. None of us learn all things all at once, it is a process. I do not criticize the apostles for not knowing, even though they...
  11. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    It's exactly what I think, it isn't what you think with your three baptisms.
  12. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    You and I will never receive the baptism of fire. There is only one baptism per person. We are baptized into Christ's death. He did not drown in water, He was crucified. There is only one baptism for the Church, the baptism with the Spirit. We don't need symbolism anymore, we have the reality.
  13. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Sorry Mem but I don't know what that has to do with what you quoted. :confused:
  14. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Strewth! Now an evangelist isn't a disciple? You really go to extremes to justify yourself. We're all disciples. It's what Jesus told the Apostles to do, "go make disciples". They make disciples through the teaching of the word and God makes evangelists out from the disciples. (among other...
  15. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    My assumption? I showed you how the disciples were told to go and make disciples of ALL nations. Those nations were Gentiles. It went right over their heads because we keep seeing them surprised the Gentiles were included. I showed you how Peter admits he forgot what the Lord taught them. I am...
  16. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Well, it it says through the resurrection of Jesus Christ so it seems to me our good conscience is achieved through faith in Him. It also says water was the former thing (that's what antitype means). It's being baptized into the life of Christ that we are able to present a good conscience...
  17. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    I did answer. He continued doing what he was used to doing. John's baptism (with water) was required to signify preparation for the coming Messiah but once Christ came (and went) was glorified, His baptism replaced John's. Water baptism was for Israel, the Church was/is to be baptized with the...
  18. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    I can see water doing that on an emotional level but I'll rely on the word and the Spirit to clear my conscience. :)
  19. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    That is a lot of whoops but don't worry about it, the forum has been steadily getting worse for me in terms of throwing out constant errors. It is taking me an average of ten tries to get on and then half the time my posts won't post, or at least that it what appears to happen but then i find it...
  20. sawdust

    Loss of salvation???

    Why would Jesus would command His followers to apply that which is symbolic when His death and resurrection paved the way for the reality? It would be a complete waste of time looking for water to baptize people when they could be evangelizing. And yes, I do think Phillip didn't understand how...